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Old 05-24-2009, 01:41 AM   #241
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Neo-'conservatism' sees enemies everywhere, some might be real but most are imagined.
It's so sad but true...

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Old 05-24-2009, 02:04 AM   #242
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It's so sad but true...

It's what it's built upon...
yes. I mean even it seems like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh's politics are based on extreme paranoia, complete fear of anything with "government", pessimism, racism, and anger.

They would rather fight against the idea of government than actually trying to find ways to make government more efficient and better. Government should stay out of our personal lives, but that doesnt mean that government wants to enslave us like Glenn Beck's paranoia seems to fear.
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:30 AM   #243
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LONDON (AP) -- A former U.S. general said graphic images of rape and torture are among the photos of Iraqi prisoner abuse that President Obama's administration does not want released.

Retired Major Gen. Antonio Taguba, who oversaw the U.S. investigation into the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison, told Britain's Daily Telegraph in an article published Wednesday that he agreed with Obama's decision not to release the pictures.

"I am not sure what purpose their release would serve other than a legal one and the consequence would be to imperil our troops, the only protectors of our foreign policy, when we most need them," Taguba was quoted by the Daily Telegraph. "The mere description of these pictures is horrendous enough, take my word for it."

Two Obama administration officials didn't immediately respond to e-mail requests for comment Wednesday night.

The prisoner abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib exploded after photos taken by soldiers appeared in 2004.

According to the Telegraph, the new photos depicted much more serious abuses than previously documented.

One photo reportedly showed an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner and another was said to show a male translator raping a male detainee, the Telegraph reported.
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One photo reportedly showed an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner and another was said to show a male translator raping a male detainee, the Telegraph reported.



i'm sure they raped with only the best of intentions and only the security of the western world in mind.
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Old 05-30-2009, 05:57 AM   #245
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Probably the same pics that have been around for years.

Photos of US soldiers' alleged rape, sexual abuse in Iraq
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They need a better camera,
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Nah, people might more easily notice they're fake pics then.
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honestly, i preferred Cheney's speech in the original German.
I was afraid he actually had talked German. You are referring to this: The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan ?

There are treatment centers for victims of torture in the US. Maybe those who have no clue but honestly think they can tell what constitutes torture and what not should think about visiting one and talking to the people who are dealing with the results of this dangerous naivete.
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I was afraid he actually had talked German. You are referring to this: The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan ?

There are treatment centers for victims of torture in the US. Maybe those who have no clue but honestly think they can tell what constitutes torture and what not should think about visiting one and talking to the people who are dealing with the results of this dangerous naivete.


actually, i was referencing a Molly Ivins' comment from back in 1992 after Pat Buchanan's shocking speech at the 1992 Republican Convention. she said that she preferred the speech in the original German, making the ironic point that it was Nazi-esque. dramatic, perhaps, but not totally inaccurate.

however, it is important to note that techniques used by Bush/Cheney were also used by the Nazis.
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actually, i was referencing a Molly Ivins' comment from back in 1992 after Pat Buchanan's shocking speech at the 1992 Republican Convention. she said that she preferred the speech in the original German, making the ironic point that it was Nazi-esque. dramatic, perhaps, but not totally inaccurate.

however, it is important to note that techniques used by Bush/Cheney were also used by the Nazis.
Ok, thanks.

Torture is universal. Across all cultures you'll find a similar pattern. How it starts, how it progresses and what techniques will sooner or later be employed is awkwardly similar across the globe.
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actually, i was referencing a Molly Ivins' comment from back in 1992 after Pat Buchanan's shocking speech at the 1992 Republican Convention. she said that she preferred the speech in the original German, making the ironic point that it was Nazi-esque. dramatic, perhaps, but not totally inaccurate.

however, it is important to note that techniques used by Bush/Cheney were also used by the Nazis.
Sure, and today Obama/Biden have begun the Nazi-like technique of building "the peoples car."

Or in the original German, Volks-Wagen.

Reductio ad Hitlerum.
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Volkswagens are pretty good cars
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Sure, and today Obama/Biden have begun the Nazi-like technique of building "the peoples car."

Or in the original German, Volks-Wagen.

Reductio ad Hitlerum.


Memphis drives a VW. it's a great car.

kinda sucks that now GM is yet another failure of the free market, and that if we want to build things in this country we better get started on windmills and solar panels, but i guess that's how it goes.
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Memphis drives a VW. it's a great car.
Aren't all of ours built in Mexico these days anyway?

VWs are hugely overpriced IMO...I had a Golf back in high school.
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Aren't all of ours built in Mexico these days anyway?

VWs are hugely overpriced IMO...I had a Golf back in high school.
True, you'd be better off buying a Seat which is basically the same car.
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