Obama General Discussion, vol. 5

[IWasBored]

Expecting someone to be a good president because of race is as idiotic as the people who voted for Bush "cos he's a regular guy just like me!" Being black, Protestant, or a NASCAR fan bears absolutely no relevance on how competently you can run a country (or in the case of the US, work with your other branches of government to progress--because the other mistake that the simple minds who vote according to superficial personal identifiers is, that they forget the president doesn't make all the decisions by himself), and if you're disappointed in a president for that reason alone--"he's black and didn't magically make the country perfect in his first term wtf he was supposed to fix everything!"--you need to reevaluate your priorities and general understanding of the world.

 

[BVS]

Am I wasting my time replying to to someone who does´t want to discuss but take a cheap shot?

Wow...

You made cheap generalizations(or as you call them "cheap shots") about four posters, I was just turning it around on you. I'm sorry you missed that.

 

[Pearl]

You never saw an abstract?

It´s absurd that it does not disturb you when a priviledged group of people can snoop on you and everybody else at will, plus you pay a tax to finance this group of people.

I said "so?' as in, "so what's your point?" Your post was a passive-aggressive attempt to insult others. As BVS said, that was the cheap shot in this discussion.

Am I wasting my time replying to to someone who does´t want to discuss but take a cheap shot?

I guess so. Or what game were you referring to?

Bye, FYM! Keep throwing shit to see what sticks. I know I won´t be missed

 

[cobl04]

It's amazing how the Euro Left and the American Right have so much in common.

The Australian Right thinks the American Right are fucking insane. Particularly when it comes to gin control.

 

[Popmartijn]

The Australian Right thinks the American Right are fucking insane. Particularly when it comes to gin control.

 

[cobl04]

Oops.

 

[tim722]

I'm amused as i think back at the Bush haters and how evil they genuinely thought he was. Including Obama. Then the unexperienced Chicago politician who bought his home with concicted felon Tony Rezco gets elected. Obama is from the same city and state as crooked Mayor Daley and convicted Governor Rod Blagojevich.
Almost every promise Obama made to get elected was a lie except for obama care. He kept most of Bush's policies. Oh he got rid of waterboarding thats right. Not the idiots that hated Bush have to stick up for Obama.
Drones, wiretaps, IRS. Failed economy. Failed foreign policy led by Hillary Clinton.. probably the worst Secretary of State i can remember. They were against the Arab spring. Syria was a joke. High gas prices throughout his whole term. High unemployment. Massive debt. Interest rates held too low for too long. Companies wont hire full time employees because of obama care. Haven't had a budget in i dont know how long. Climate change means the earth is not getting warmer.
I swear that I'm really starting to believe that Liberalism truely is a mental condition. Most people i know who are Liberal are not too bright.

 

[IWasBored]

Oops.

I was going to say, dude, prohibition ended quite some time ago.

 

[Diemen]

I swear that I'm really starting to believe that Liberalism truely is a mental condition. Most people i know who are Liberal are not too bright.

Stellar contribution. Helpful hint: use proper grammar and spelling when insulting the intelligence of others.

 

[BVS]

I'm amused as i think back at the Bush haters and how evil they genuinely thought he was. Including Obama. Then the unexperienced Chicago politician who bought his home with concicted felon Tony Rezco gets elected. Obama is from the same city and state as crooked Mayor Daley and convicted Governor Rod Blagojevich.
Almost every promise Obama made to get elected was a lie except for obama care. He kept most of Bush's policies. Oh he got rid of waterboarding thats right. Not the idiots that hated Bush have to stick up for Obama.
Drones, wiretaps, IRS. Failed economy. Failed foreign policy led by Hillary Clinton.. probably the worst Secretary of State i can remember. They were against the Arab spring. Syria was a joke. High gas prices throughout his whole term. High unemployment. Massive debt. Interest rates held too low for too long. Companies wont hire full time employees because of obama care. Haven't had a budget in i dont know how long. Climate change means the earth is not getting warmer.
I swear that I'm really starting to believe that Liberalism truely is a mental condition.

Most people i know who are Liberal are not too bright.

But can they string together a properly constructed sentence and/ or complete thought?

 

[Kieran McConville]

The Bush haters were confusing Bush, a patsy (albeit a patsy who had well and truly reached his majority), with Cheney, a genuine force for (probably un-self-reflective) evil.

Wait, who's Tony Rezco? That's it, I used to be a liberal but 9/11.

 

[tim722]

Oh Diemen and BVS. So sorry that grammar is an issue with you. After all i wrote, you picked on my grammar. Wow. Thanks for proving my point. Liberalism is alive and well in the psychological field. Don't attack my facts. Attack my grammar. Maybe after you both grow up and get a real job you can move out of mom's basement and get some real life experience. Maybe even some psychological help.

 

[Irvine511]

Oh Diemen and BVS. So sorry that grammar is an issue with you. After all i wrote, you picked on my grammar. Wow. Thanks for proving my point. Liberalism is alive and well in the psychological field. Don't attack my facts. Attack my grammar. Maybe after you both grow up and get a real job you can move out of mom's basement and get some real life experience. Maybe even some psychological help.

You didn't have any facts.

 

[Pearl]

Oh Diemen and BVS. So sorry that grammar is an issue with you. After all i wrote, you picked on my grammar. Wow. Thanks for proving my point. Liberalism is alive and well in the psychological field. Don't attack my facts. Attack my grammar. Maybe after you both grow up and get a real job you can move out of mom's basement and get some real life experience. Maybe even some psychological help.

The fact that you need to resort to personal attacks like this, speaks volumes about you.

 

[IWasBored]

Oh Diemen and BVS. So sorry that grammar is an issue with you. After all i wrote, you picked on my grammar. Wow. Thanks for proving my point. Liberalism is alive and well in the psychological field. Don't attack my facts. Attack my grammar. Maybe after you both grow up and get a real job you can move out of mom's basement and get some real life experience. Maybe even some psychological help.

But following your brand of logic (and I use that term loosely), liberalism is a mental condition alive and well in the "psychological field" (not sure what that means, was the field of psychology what you were going for?). So if liberals are dumb jokes of people, why are you instructing bvs and diemen to go seek their help? Clearly stupid hacks can't help people. But you're recommending they do just that. So which is it? Make up your mind.

Grow up, get a job, move out of mom's basement...wow, you should take those scathingly witty and original comments, and slap a patent on them! Or take them back over to the general chat in your mmo of choice. What? You say you don't play online video games? Could have fooled me, you write just like all the other trolls there.

As for your facts, all I see are a lot of declarative opinions (plus the worn-out assumption that people who disliked the Bush administration think Obama is the greatest president ever. I'd hate to shatter your black and white world view, but that's not true either) with virtually no explanations to back them. But people with limited understanding of grammar rarely possess the firmest vocabulary. I've already prattled on for too long, though. Perhaps someone else should explain the opposing definitions of fact vs opinion.

 

[BVS]

Oh Diemen and BVS. So sorry that grammar is an issue with you. After all i wrote, you picked on my grammar. Wow. Thanks for proving my point. Liberalism is alive and well in the psychological field. Don't attack my facts. Attack my grammar. Maybe after you both grow up and get a real job you can move out of mom's basement and get some real life experience. Maybe even some psychological help.

Oh come on Tim, now none of this was called for... I just found it ironic that you came in here to attack people's intelligence but it was just one long slurred mess of ideas that weren't coherently put together. Grammar was the least of my worries with your post.

But I guess you are right, saying "Obama is from the same city and state as crooked Mayor Daley and convicted Governor Rod Blagojevich." is technically a fact. Probably your only one, its just too bad it doesn't really mean anything. I mean technically Bush was from the same city and state as a serial killer, so maybe we can apply that same logic?

And I wouldn't want to embarrass you with my real life experience, so we'll just pretend you didn't make such a childish assumption.

 

[Jive Turkey]

Maybe after you both grow up and get a real job you can move out of mom's basement and get some real life experience. Maybe even some psychological help.

Sweet debate tactic, bro

 

[Diemen]

Helpful hint: if you're going to attempt to insult people's intelligence, it helps if you don't make the attempt with uninspired and laughably ineffective insults.

Also, if this is going to be your style going forward, tim, then FYM isn't the place for you.

 

[PhilsFan]

I'm amused as i think back at the Bush haters and how evil they genuinely thought he was. Including Obama. Then the unexperienced Chicago politician who bought his home with concicted felon Tony Rezco gets elected. Obama is from the same city and state as crooked Mayor Daley and convicted Governor Rod Blagojevich.
Almost every promise Obama made to get elected was a lie except for obama care. He kept most of Bush's policies. Oh he got rid of waterboarding thats right. Not the idiots that hated Bush have to stick up for Obama.
Drones, wiretaps, IRS. Failed economy. Failed foreign policy led by Hillary Clinton.. probably the worst Secretary of State i can remember. They were against the Arab spring. Syria was a joke. High gas prices throughout his whole term. High unemployment. Massive debt. Interest rates held too low for too long. Companies wont hire full time employees because of obama care. Haven't had a budget in i dont know how long. Climate change means the earth is not getting warmer.
I swear that I'm really starting to believe that Liberalism truely is a mental condition. Most people i know who are Liberal are not too bright.

Yeah man obama is just the worst. what happened to hope and change i mean wasn't that your plan liberals. Wave a magic wand and make big bad Bush go away. Well it didnt happen and now look wear we are. maybe if youd all wized up and voted for mitt romney who hey look at that actually has business experience we could have jobs. lower taxes. Better prices on gas. Defense. Morality. who knows cause you blew the chance and now America is going to continue to crumble. And all this gun talk i mean come on. Your letting this country go to ruin because your too dumb to see what's goin on.

 

[mama cass]

It's amazing how the Euro Left and the American Right have so much in common.

are you kidding me?!

 

[Irvine511]

are you kidding me?!

Not in the slightest.

The political spectrum is a circle.

 

[mama cass]

yeah i know the political spectrum is a circle, and there are a great deal of similarities between extreme left and extreme right, i.e. Hitler's national socialism etc.

however, current left-wing Euro policies certainly don't fit into that category right now, unless you can give me some examples i'm not aware of...

pretty much, the American left are like the Euro right, and the American right are just, well, batshit crazy (to the average European like myself)

i could go on about welfare and social policies, etc... but that would be stating the obvious...

maybe when the American right is willing to pay as much tax as the Euro left, we can talk about it some more

 

[mama cass]

anyway, back on the surveillance issue... the conspiracy theorists weren't wrong were they...

 

[Irvine511]

however, current left-wing Euro policies certainly don't fit into that category right now, unless you can give me some examples i'm not aware of...

Look at the terms in which hiphop wrote about Obama. And then note how central race is to his assessment.

 

[mama cass]

Look at the terms in which hiphop wrote about Obama. And then note how central race is to his assessment.

bah that's just hiphop's opinion, and is no way representative of the whole Euro left...

i have no clue where hiphop is from, but race and national/cultural identity is a big thing in Europe (for instance, as a "migrant" i've seen first hand how hard it is to integrate into another European country, despite living and working and paying my taxes here, and, because i am not French, i am not eligible to vote in the presidential elections, which is annoying, even though France is part of the EU and i am an EU national)

although i would say that was more of a "structural" issue rather than a "left/right" issue, just down to the fact that Europe is made up of different countries, not really "states" as they like to call it... just guessing though, but that's all i can think of off the top of my head...

 

[BoMac]

Yeah man obama is just the worst. what happened to hope and change i mean wasn't that your plan liberals. Wave a magic wand and make big bad Bush go away. Well it didnt happen and now look wear we are. maybe if youd all wized up and voted for mitt romney who hey look at that actually has business experience we could have jobs. lower taxes. Better prices on gas. Defense. Morality. who knows cause you blew the chance and now America is going to continue to crumble. And all this gun talk i mean come on. Your letting this country go to ruin because your too dumb to see what's goin on.

A piece of your soul must have died in writing this, what with the missing apostrophes, spelling errors and "your" instead of "you're".

I know I couldn't do it. I tip my hat to you, sir.

 

[BEAL]

anyway, back on the surveillance issue... the conspiracy theorists weren't wrong were they...

You throw enough shit against a wall, and something is bound to stick. Not really going out on a limb to assume governments aren't spying on its people.

The flip side of it, those same people who are screaming about their liberties and freedoms being taken away, would also be screaming and yelling about why the Government didn't do all it could to protect us from a terrorist attack had it been stopped by surveillance.

It's a double edged sword and a fine line to walk to protect ourselves without completely destroying our privacy

 

[mama cass]

You throw enough shit against a wall, and something is bound to stick. Not really going out on a limb to assume governments aren't spying on its people.

The flip side of it, those same people who are screaming about their liberties and freedoms being taken away, would also be screaming and yelling about why the Government didn't do all it could to protect us from a terrorist attack had it been stopped by surveillance.

It's a double edged sword and a fine line to walk to protect ourselves without completely destroying our privacy

thing is, everybody knows surveillance has been going on for years really, and i find it hard to believe that potential terrorists would be putting it all out there, communicating by mobile phones/internet (unless it's seriously encrypted unbreakable code), because everything is so traceable... so i don't think governments instilling fear by claiming it's for our own protection is a good enough excuse...

and if they're THAT good at it, how come the US have no clue where Snowden is now?

 

[BVS]

and i find it hard to believe that potential terrorists would be putting it all out there, communicating by mobile phones/internet, because everything is so traceable...

I don't understand this line of thinking. Those involved would have to do some communication over mobile phones/ internet, other forms would just be too costly and time consuming. Travel is slowly but surely becoming pretty difficult for them so they really have very few choices.

 

[Pearl]

thing is, everybody knows surveillance has been going on for years really, and i find it hard to believe that potential terrorists would be putting it all out there, communicating by mobile phones/internet (unless it's seriously encrypted unbreakable code), because everything is so traceable... so i don't think governments instilling fear by claiming it's for our own protection is a good enough excuse...

and if they're THAT good at it, how come the US have no clue where Snowden is now?

It's been reported before that terrorists have used cell phones to communicate, albeit the pay-as-you-go type. I would also think they might be using codes and aren't so obvious in their communication.