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Old 09-28-2011, 01:24 AM   #1
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Normal NYPD brutality



The video speaks for itself.

After this, the murder of Troy Davis last week, and tons of other police/legal wrongdoings, I am honestly feeling sick of this "free" country.
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Hardly surprising, they are police after all.
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Someone should tell that guy his melodramatic delivery isn't adding any credibility.

I don't have much patience for those clowns protesting, but in my limited interaction with the nypd, they are a bunch of untrained monkeys. I was walking back to my Brother's one night through an intersection (walk sign was telling me to go) and a cruiser turning left drove right into me. Hit me right in the knee and forced me up onto his hood a little. He wasn't going fast which led me to believe he did it on purpose. I gave him a dirty look and a 'what the fuck?', but couldn't do much else as it was 3 am and no one else was on the street.
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sadly, not the first to be captured on camera.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:28 PM   #5
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Someone should tell that guy his melodramatic delivery isn't adding any credibility.

I don't have much patience for those clowns protesting, but in my limited interaction with the nypd, they are a bunch of untrained monkeys. I was walking back to my Brother's one night through an intersection (walk sign was telling me to go) and a cruiser turning left drove right into me. Hit me right in the knee and forced me up onto his hood a little. He wasn't going fast which led me to believe he did it on purpose. I gave him a dirty look and a 'what the fuck?', but couldn't do much else as it was 3 am and no one else was on the street.
I like the melodrama, it keeps the viewers engaged. I don't agree with the protesters at all and I'm sure some of them are clowns, but nevertheless, as a country we pride ourselves in our freedom of speech, and so these NYPD terrorists shouldn't be using violence.

Ironically this is taking place in the very city that was attacked by terrorists who attacked our "freedom" and because of whom we had to invade Iraq to protect that "freedom". Obviously these people don't have freedom to protest without getting thrown around like trash, sprayed in the eyes with mace, humiliated, arrested, and without the the fear of repercussions for speaking their mind in a peaceful way. Maybe we should invade Iran now, we need some of that freedom back!

P.S. Sorry to hear about your encounter with the NYPD terrorist. Fuck the police.
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I don't have time to watch the whole thing but that was bad so far-especially the woman who was grabbed and was screaming. What was she doing that was illegal or provoking? Must have been something she said. People can protest all they want as long as it is peaceful. A camera is not a weapon but i guess it's very threatening to some police officers.

I have had a couple of bad experiences with police officers and as a result I'm very leery of them and I don't trust them. I know that they're not all like that but I can't help it, that's how I feel. If I had to rely one one for help I wouldn't feel as comfortable and confident as I should feel.

I think Lawrence O'Donnell is always like that, that's his style.
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Old 09-28-2011, 06:33 PM   #7
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I got an unnecessary ticket this past week from Police and my only conclusion after days of thought was, they have to get paid too. I was doing supposedly "80 in a 60", but I didn't see the radar gun. So , what they did in essence was 'tax collection'.

Overall, my opinion is we have to give police the benefit of the doubt, but really keep an eye on the licence that they are given. They do have a job that requires a unique person and we shouldn't forget that. We have to have respect for all of our work scenarios.
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Lets not forget that media dude O Donnell has a an agenda too. When you have everyone existing in a self-serving manner in a society, this is bound to happen. Interests will clash.
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^ While I appreciate your point, if you're like most people I suspect you'd take far more unkindly to an unnecessary hit of pepper spray in the eye than an unnecessary speeding ticket. New York has the strictest pepper spray regulations in the country (for ordinary citizens), ironic to see the NYPD using it in such a questionable manner.



This protest movement does seem to be quite small, disorganized, and lacking in specific aims (and protest experience), but then they're almost all very young, and in any case one would have to be living under a rock not to grasp the general point of a 'citizens' occupation' of Wall Street. It could still develop into something important (and not at all necessarily partisan, either). I have to say the blatant, withering contempt the NYT has repeatedly leveled at them, even in its supposed straight news pieces, has left a bad taste in my mouth. Editorializing on the drawbacks of protest strategies which impede other citizens' ability to get to work, and/or fail to convey a clear set of goals, OK, but that doesn't make it a joke story.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:32 PM   #10
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the murder of Troy Davis last week,


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I am honestly feeling sick of this "free" country.
Well, that would explain why you watch MSNBC.
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Well, that would explain why you watch MSNBC.
How so? And how does that have anything to do with the main topic that I brought up? Actually I don't ever watch MSNBC, and I came across this clip on the internet.

My guess is that you're too insecure and ignorant, as a radical right winger, to admit police or legal wrongdoing when it's so obvious and in your face, which is why you also rolled your eyes to my Troy Davis comment. That's why instead of commenting on anything about the main topic of this thread, you try to dis MSNBC and myself avert attention. That's just a guess though.
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Overall, my opinion is we have to give police the benefit of the doubt, but really keep an eye on the licence that they are given.
I understand what you're saying. I'm the type of person who does give a benefit of a doubt when I hear something without knowing both sides of an argument. But in the video with the pepper spray, it was so obvious who was in the wrong. And it's not only that but there are tons of videos out there of the police brutality in peaceful situations in this protest. I feel like they shouldn't be given that benefit in this case.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:42 PM   #13
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It is a violation of their freedom of assembly. The same thing happened in my mind when the G8 protests happened in Toronto. How is at that police are not given specific orders how to act? The chief of police must use this consideration when saying attack or be defensive. It is all about lines.

Without passing judgement on this case or others, these matters are tricky because some protestors do incite and some events could happen off camera. Cops can get spooked too.
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What bothers me about police work is how they act as bullies and know who and what to target for their quotas. They really pick on perceived 'weak' people. If they a vulnerability they will capitalize on it to meet their quota. I have been on the wrong end of this. It demonstrates their cowardice as people.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:56 PM   #15
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We have a service in Ontario called X Copper. They act as a paralegal in Traffic disputes and other non-crimanal cases who are usually ex-policeman. I spoke to one last week who told me to my face of all of the excessive ticketing that happens. He didn't deny it. We spoke about 'good faith' and 'trust' and he started to laugh. He says good faith is a one-way street. This is an ex-policemen. So much for keeping mum.
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How so? And how does that have anything to do with the main topic that I brought up? Actually I don't ever watch MSNBC, and I came across this clip on the internet.

My guess is that you're too insecure and ignorant, as a radical right winger, to admit police or legal wrongdoing when it's so obvious and in your face, which is why you also rolled your eyes to my Troy Davis comment. That's why instead of commenting on anything about the main topic of this thread, you try to dis MSNBC and myself avert attention. That's just a guess though.
Let's just say "radical right wingers" tend to side with the 34 witnesses against Davis, the jury of seven blacks and five whites that took less than two hours to convict Davis and the dozen or so appellate courts that all ruled against Davis--rather than the Left and their perverse obsession with cop killers on death row.


As far as the main topic, it's a NY issue and I'm more than content to let them resolve it just as the people in Georgia should be able to deliver justice for the murder of one of their police officers.

You're correct about one thing however, I never pass up the opportunity to "dis" MSNBC.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:59 PM   #17
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"The Law" in the US is such a selected tool. I am speaking in terms of 'positive law.' They use when it is appropriate, liking adding spices to meal. Add too taste.

Sorry to offend any of our American boardies but I really feel that way.
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Coppers are supposed to be servants of the people but have been acting like prison wardens on behalf of the super-rich for far too long now. I welcome this belated kickback in favour of citizens' rights against excessive executive power, though I fear that there will be blood on the streets afore long.
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I like the melodrama, it keeps the viewers engaged. I don't agree with the protesters at all and I'm sure some of them are clowns, but nevertheless, as a country we pride ourselves in our freedom of speech, and so these NYPD terrorists shouldn't be using violence.

Ironically this is taking place in the very city that was attacked by terrorists who attacked our "freedom" and because of whom we had to invade Iraq to protect that "freedom". Obviously these people don't have freedom to protest without getting thrown around like trash, sprayed in the eyes with mace, humiliated, arrested, and without the the fear of repercussions for speaking their mind in a peaceful way. Maybe we should invade Iran now, we need some of that freedom back!

P.S. Sorry to hear about your encounter with the NYPD terrorist. Fuck the police.
Police terrorism is not limited to the US.

We have had personal testimony from a UK member of the forum (an 18 year old female) who was assaulted by British police whilst involved in a peaceful protest - the same kind of cops who were subsequently found to be in the payroll of the Rupert Murdoch criminal Mafia organisation. The lid was blown on the latter's criminality only through citizens complaining loudly enough, with the support of the Guardian newspaper, and even at that the police are still attempting to abuse the law by illegally bullying journalists into revealing sources.

In the hysteria regarding the London riots a few months back, it was forgotten by many (especially Times International and Daily Mail readers) that what originally sparked the riots was the extra-judicial execution of unarmed black man by police officers. They subsequently lied about his criminal record (he had one, but not as serious as they claimed) and they also told a bunch of lies to the media about him drawing his weapon first (it was subsequently ascertained that although he had a gun in the car at the time that he was murdered, it was not discharged and he did not handle it on the night in question).

We have also had testimony from a number of other European members of the forum about German and Austrian police behaviour with regards to allegations of illegal assaults and breaking of entirely legal and peaceful protests.



The main tactic currently seems to be to attempt to provoke the citizenry into violent responses to police brutality - which, so far, I'm pleased to say, isn't working out too well for what you quite rightly call police terrorists.
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Common attacks like these are influenced through racism and discrimination. In this case, the guy was not a chicano, fortunately.
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