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Old 11-23-2010, 05:03 AM   #1
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North Korea shelling South

Happening now. Scary. This is not the normal low level military skirmish that both - usually - can and do back away from with relative ease:

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Oh no.

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This could get very nasty.
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Old 11-23-2010, 05:44 AM   #4
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Maybe. It certainly won't just blow over, as these things normally do.

Normal reaction is to shake fists, but not actually bite at the provocation. But when it's civilians and territory, not just a bit of slapping around between some patrol boats or border guards or something... It is - to say the least - more serious, and they're all in a bit of a bind. Strong reaction needed - but what, and when?

US, China, Russia all condemning NK and telling everyone to chill out. Japan telling the US and SK to go fuck 'em up.
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I hope Bono is safe.
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Dang.

I heard mentions of "... and with what's going on with Korea" a few times while listening to local news on the radio this morning, but they never elaborated. Now I know.
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This story was second on CNNHL this morning after the speculation about the Aruba jawbone.

Can we count on China to fix this? Or the U.N.?
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They should blitz Pyongyang and remove the dictatorship.
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Can we count on China to fix this? Or the U.N.?
No. And people wonder why the U.S. acts unilaterally. They might, considering their defence treaty with South Korea.
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No. And people wonder why the U.S. acts unilaterally. They might, considering their defence treaty with South Korea.
I really, really, really hate to say it, but this does seem like a case where a quick overthrow would go a long way toward solving the suffering of the North (and South) Koreans.

...if it wasn't for the little nuclear issue.
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Where's Barry?
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I really, really, really hate to say it, but this does seem like a case where a quick overthrow would go a long way toward solving the suffering of the North (and South) Koreans.

...if it wasn't for the little nuclear issue.
Their nuclear facilities would have to be taken control of simaltaneously.
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After North Korean strike - South Korea's president said "enormous retaliation" is needed - CNN.com

massive?

VOA | US Promises 'Measured, Unified' Response to North Korean Attack | News | English

measured ?

can it be both?

this is not that simple, it seems NK has been provoking for some time now, we had that S K ship torpedoed, with dozens dead, and them ratcheting up their nuke capabilities

The South's biggest fear is that the North will collapse and millions will head South
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Their nuclear facilities would have to be taken control of simaltaneously.
I don't think U.S. boots on the ground in N.K. is a good idea. A little wink and nudge from the U.S. might help an overthrow.

Surely there must a sympathetic General somewhere in NK's army.

I can't believe that we have had cease-fire in place for almost 60 years, and there isn't someone that we know of in the chain of command who could play dictator for a few years until reunification or a democratically elected president is sorted out.

If the U.S. is going to drop anything on NK, it should be food and clothing--that might keep the NK citizens where they are and rather complacent.

What a mess. How long until Busan, Inchon or Seoul are shelled? I know that has been the fear for decades.
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I spent two years in TDC or Camp Casey, formerly the headquarters for 2nd Infantry Division in S Korea. I think we were 11 miles from the DMZ or something like that. I'm no expert on Korea by any means, but a little piece of me will always be there, and vice versa.

The terrain is rugged, mountainous, very bitterly cold in the winter, the roads are not what we are accustomed to here in the states (as in, there aren't enough of them so they are always overcrowded), and the South is flooded with people. Good people, very open and caring people, hard working, big hearted, thankful, hopeful, generous people.

After the long winters finally break the steamy summers begin usually with a two or three week long monsoon season, where it rains almost constantly. Then it's very hot and humid for the rest of summer. I don't ever remember there being an autumn on the peninsula.

Korea is not a good place to have a war, the main arteries and bridges can be taken out almost immediately from the north. Rockets from the north could eastily strike the massive metropolis of Seoul. Chaos would ensue....massive casualties....famine...riots...disease...suffering....utter fucking devistation and hell on earth.

As much as i might like to see the bastards in Pyongyang taken out and a new "friendly" bunch installed, or even one glorious unified Korea, im not exactly sure how that thing would work. Can the South handle this on their own? Has the world learned anything from Saddam's removal in Iraq? Most of the Americans stationed in my former playground near the DMZ would be killed very quickly, much of Seoul would be destroyed before the South were able to gain the upper hand...and reinforcements were able to come into play. Unless of course, all options are kept on the table, and im pretty sure they are. At this point all bets are surely...off. I think if you start seeing US military families who currently reside in Yongsan heading for the airports in big numbers, civilians too, then there's a sure sign the shit is about to hit the fan.

I really really pray that somehow this comes to a peaceful resolution. I don't see how these actions can be justified, but the consequences of what could potentially happen are....awful and unfathomable.
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