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Old 06-18-2009, 11:26 PM   #1
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North Korea developments

well, this is just lovely.

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US prepares for N.Korea missile launch on Hawaii
By Dan De Luce – 8 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US military has moved additional defenses to Hawaii in case North Korea launches a missile towards the Pacific island chain, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said.

"We do have some concerns if they were to launch a missile ... in the direction of Hawaii," Gates told a news conference on Thursday.

Gates said he had approved the deployment of THAAD missile defense weaponry to the US state and radar "to provide support" in case of a possible North Korean launch.

And he said that ground-based defenses in Alaska were also at the ready.

"I would just say I think we are in a good position should it become necessary to protect American territory," he said.

The Theatre High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) weaponry, coupled with the radar system, are designed to shoot down ballistic missiles.

US and South Korean officials have said North Korea might be readying another ballistic missile test after three previous launches in 1998, 2006 and this year.

Pyongyang said its latest April 5 launch put a satellite into orbit, while the United States and its allies labeled it a disguised test of a Taepodong-2 missile theoretically capable of reaching Alaska.

But North Korea has yet to demonstrate it has the ability to build a nuclear warhead that could be fitted onto the tip of one of its ballistic missiles.

Tensions on the Korean peninsula have mounted after Pyongyang carried out its second nuclear test last month.

US media reported on Thursday that the US military was tracking a flagged North Korean ship suspected of ferrying banned weapons cargo in violation of a UN Security Council resolution adopted last week.

The ship, the Kang Nam, departed a port in North Korea on Wednesday and appears to be heading toward Singapore, according to media reports.

The latest UN financial and shipping sanctions are designed to choke off revenue and disrupt transfers of arms and nuclear technology in and out of North Korea.

The measures do not authorize military force to board North Korean ships, but allow for the US Navy and its allies to ask to inspect North Korean vessels and ships flagged from other countries suspected of carrying banned cargo.

"We intend to vigorously enforce the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1874," said Admiral Mike Mullen, the top US military officer, at a joint news conference with Gates.

Mullen sidestepped a question as to whether the military was tracking the North Korean vessel.

Analysts say North Korea could get around the shipping measures by transporting banned cargo by air and exploiting provisions that prohibit the use of military force.

However, experts say the financial sanctions could prove more effective.

On Saturday, the North vowed to build more atomic bombs and start enriching uranium for a new nuclear weapons program, in response to the UN sanctions.

The Japanese daily Yomiuri Shimbun meanwhile reported that Tokyo's defense ministry believes that North Korea might now be planning to launch a two-stage or three-stage Taepodong-2 missile towards either Japan's Okinawa island, Guam or Hawaii.

But the ministry said launches toward Okinawa or Guam were "extremely unlikely" because the first-stage booster could drop into waters off China, agitating Beijing, or hit western Japanese territory, the report said.

If the missile were fired in the direction of Hawaii, the booster could drop in the Sea of Japan (East Sea) well before the missile's remaining part flies over northern Japan and towards North America.

In Washington, a State Department official said the US administration was exploring five-way talks with China, Russia, Japan and South Korea to put pressure on North Korea to change tack on its nuclear and missile programs.

The idea was raised when President Barack Obama hosted talks at the White House Tuesday with South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak, a senior official told reporters on the condition of anonymity.
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:27 PM   #2
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Best part is that I'll be in Hawaii then.

Dear Leader can go eff himself.
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Old 06-19-2009, 12:51 AM   #3
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Bring it on.
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Old 06-19-2009, 12:30 PM   #4
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U.S. Military Set to Intercept North Korean Ship Suspected of Proliferating Missiles, Nukes - Political News - FOXNews.com

far-mongering, or purposeful provocation my the Navy?
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Old 06-19-2009, 12:35 PM   #5
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The North Korean missiles don't have the reach to get to Hawaii, plus they are generally technological failures anyway (have something like a 75% failure rate).

That said, should a missile land anywhere within 500 miles of Hawaii, I think a response would be warranted. Unfortunately, that could set off retaliation by NK against SK or Japan, which is really where the problem lies (and not with US territorial integrity).
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Old 06-19-2009, 07:31 PM   #6
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Two real issues here. If we suspected NK is proliferating anything illegally, and we board one of their vessels to prove it, watch out.

Other is just test firing a missle in the direction of Hawaii -- yes, it will never get there -- but they have 359 degrees of direction they could have chosen. This scenario not as grave as the one above, but still down a dark path.
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Best part is that I'll be in Hawaii then.

Dear Leader can go eff himself.
don't visit Pearl Harbor
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Old 06-20-2009, 06:01 PM   #8
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Does anybody really believe North Korea to be that suicidal?
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Best part is that I'll be in Hawaii then.


have a great time.

the north shore of Kauai is one of the most amazing places i've ever seen. it's a bit of a hike, but if you can get to Secret Beach, you absolutely should.
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Old 06-20-2009, 08:30 PM   #10
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Does anybody really believe North Korea to be that suicidal?
Well look how far they've come and what they've done, and said they'd do, and look what everyone else has done to stop them...

Obviously if North Korea launched a missle in the direction of any country, the US, Japan, and South Korea would quickly kick their ass 7 ways from Sunday, but Kim Jong Il isn't completly sane..
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North Korea qualified for the world cup

IF USA make it, guaranteed they will be in the same group

Like when USA had Iran in 1998
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Old 06-22-2009, 07:01 PM   #12
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North Korea qualified for the world cup

IF USA make it, guaranteed they will be in the same group

Like when USA had Iran in 1998

Maybe I'm being naive, but exactly how would this happen? Are you saying that the random draws for each group are rigged?
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It would guarantee some viewers!- its not rigged but everyone will be talking about if USA get Iran or N Korea.

USA's group could be

Germany
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Cool, Germany would get twelve points out of it. Nine winning against the other three, and the last three winning against themselves.
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All together now.....

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