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US prepares for N.Korea missile launch on Hawaii
By Dan De Luce – 8 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US military has moved additional defenses to Hawaii in case North Korea launches a missile towards the Pacific island chain, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said.

"We do have some concerns if they were to launch a missile ... in the direction of Hawaii," Gates told a news conference on Thursday.

Gates said he had approved the deployment of THAAD missile defense weaponry to the US state and radar "to provide support" in case of a possible North Korean launch.

And he said that ground-based defenses in Alaska were also at the ready.

"I would just say I think we are in a good position should it become necessary to protect American territory," he said.

The Theatre High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) weaponry, coupled with the radar system, are designed to shoot down ballistic missiles.

US and South Korean officials have said North Korea might be readying another ballistic missile test after three previous launches in 1998, 2006 and this year.

Pyongyang said its latest April 5 launch put a satellite into orbit, while the United States and its allies labeled it a disguised test of a Taepodong-2 missile theoretically capable of reaching Alaska.

But North Korea has yet to demonstrate it has the ability to build a nuclear warhead that could be fitted onto the tip of one of its ballistic missiles.

Tensions on the Korean peninsula have mounted after Pyongyang carried out its second nuclear test last month.

US media reported on Thursday that the US military was tracking a flagged North Korean ship suspected of ferrying banned weapons cargo in violation of a UN Security Council resolution adopted last week.

The ship, the Kang Nam, departed a port in North Korea on Wednesday and appears to be heading toward Singapore, according to media reports.

The latest UN financial and shipping sanctions are designed to choke off revenue and disrupt transfers of arms and nuclear technology in and out of North Korea.

The measures do not authorize military force to board North Korean ships, but allow for the US Navy and its allies to ask to inspect North Korean vessels and ships flagged from other countries suspected of carrying banned cargo.

"We intend to vigorously enforce the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1874," said Admiral Mike Mullen, the top US military officer, at a joint news conference with Gates.

Mullen sidestepped a question as to whether the military was tracking the North Korean vessel.

Analysts say North Korea could get around the shipping measures by transporting banned cargo by air and exploiting provisions that prohibit the use of military force.

However, experts say the financial sanctions could prove more effective.

On Saturday, the North vowed to build more atomic bombs and start enriching uranium for a new nuclear weapons program, in response to the UN sanctions.

The Japanese daily Yomiuri Shimbun meanwhile reported that Tokyo's defense ministry believes that North Korea might now be planning to launch a two-stage or three-stage Taepodong-2 missile towards either Japan's Okinawa island, Guam or Hawaii.

But the ministry said launches toward Okinawa or Guam were "extremely unlikely" because the first-stage booster could drop into waters off China, agitating Beijing, or hit western Japanese territory, the report said.

If the missile were fired in the direction of Hawaii, the booster could drop in the Sea of Japan (East Sea) well before the missile's remaining part flies over northern Japan and towards North America.

In Washington, a State Department official said the US administration was exploring five-way talks with China, Russia, Japan and South Korea to put pressure on North Korea to change tack on its nuclear and missile programs.

The idea was raised when President Barack Obama hosted talks at the White House Tuesday with South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak, a senior official told reporters on the condition of anonymity.
 
Best part is that I'll be in Hawaii then. :lol:

Dear Leader can go eff himself.
 
The North Korean missiles don't have the reach to get to Hawaii, plus they are generally technological failures anyway (have something like a 75% failure rate).

That said, should a missile land anywhere within 500 miles of Hawaii, I think a response would be warranted. Unfortunately, that could set off retaliation by NK against SK or Japan, which is really where the problem lies (and not with US territorial integrity).
 
Two real issues here. If we suspected NK is proliferating anything illegally, and we board one of their vessels to prove it, watch out.

Other is just test firing a missle in the direction of Hawaii -- yes, it will never get there -- but they have 359 degrees of direction they could have chosen. This scenario not as grave as the one above, but still down a dark path.:shifty:
 
Does anybody really believe North Korea to be that suicidal?

Well look how far they've come and what they've done, and said they'd do, and look what everyone else has done to stop them...:doh:

Obviously if North Korea launched a missle in the direction of any country, the US, Japan, and South Korea would quickly kick their ass 7 ways from Sunday, but Kim Jong Il isn't completly sane..
 
North Korea qualified for the world cup

IF USA make it, guaranteed they will be in the same group

Like when USA had Iran in 1998
 
It would guarantee some viewers!- its not rigged but everyone will be talking about if USA get Iran or N Korea.

USA's group could be

Germany
Paraguay
USA
North Korea
 
Cool, Germany would get twelve points out of it. Nine winning against the other three, and the last three winning against themselves. :D
 
All together now.....

Batshit Crazy
North-Korean-leader-Kim-Jong-Il.jpg
 
:applaud:


SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map as Washington and its allies watched for signs the regime will launch a series of missiles in the coming days.

:cute:
 
a few words missing from that statement. Let me fix it.

SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off their dry-erase board map as Washington and its allies watched for signs the regime will launch a series loltastic empty threats and temper tantrums.
 
You know guys I'm scared of making jokes about this. They are crazy enough to actually try something. While we would surely destroy them if they did, a lot of people could get hurt. I'd take this more seriously, not because they are powerful, but because they are dangerously unbalanced.
 
Powerful? Hardly.

Well, having the worlds 4th largest military is not a sign of weakness. In addition, North Korea has the worlds largest collection of Self-Propelled Artillery. It has tens of thousands of artillery pieces in range of Seoul South Korea. These artillery pieces can fire conventional shells, chemical shells, or biological shells into the Seoul Metropolitan area. Seoul's Metro area has 10 million people. Casualties from a North Korean artillery barrage from just across the border into the Seoul Metro area would be unbelievable, even if they only used conventional explosive shells and not chemical or biological shells. If that was not enough, there is the threat of ballistic missiles armed with Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear warheads, in range of the rest of South Korea and all of Japan.

North Korea's military capabilities cannot be dismissed.
 
Well, having the worlds 4th largest military is not a sign of weakness. In addition, North Korea has the worlds largest collection of Self-Propelled Artillery. It has tens of thousands of artillery pieces in range of Seoul South Korea. These artillery pieces can fire conventional shells, chemical shells, or biological shells into the Seoul Metropolitan area. Seoul's Metro area has 10 million people. Casualties from a North Korean artillery barrage from just across the border into the Seoul Metro area would be unbelievable, even if they only used conventional explosive shells and not chemical or biological shells. If that was not enough, there is the threat of ballistic missiles armed with Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear weapons, in range of the rest of South Korea and all of Japan.

North Korea's military capabilities cannot be dismissed.

North Korea is, unfortunately, a definite threat - mainly to its own people, but also potentially to its neighbours - but sadly, statements made by you regarding military hardware cannot be treated with any reliability, given your poor track record in this particular area - as with most neo-cons.

You could be completely correct or incorrect regarding your assertion that Pyongyang is militarily capable of hitting Seoul with chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, but your statement that this is so makes no difference, at least not to my assessment of the situation.

Remember the old story about the boy who cried wolf?
 
You know guys I'm scared of making jokes about this. They are crazy enough to actually try something. While we would surely destroy them if they did, a lot of people could get hurt. I'd take this more seriously, not because they are powerful, but because they are dangerously unbalanced.

Yep, agreed.
 
but sadly, opinions of yours regarding military hardware cannot be treated with any reliability, given your poor track record in this area.

Really? Can you elaborate or point to any inaccurate statements made in regard to "military hardware", or is this just a case of a Dublin boy crying wolf?:wink:
 
Really? Can you elaborate or point to any inaccurate statements made in regard to "military hardware", or is this just a case of a Dublin boy crying wolf?:wink:

Haven't the time or energy, but your posts regarding now provably inaccurate claims about the former Iraqi regime military readiness in the area of so-called 'weapons of mass destruction' ('WMD's) would be a case in point. In general, neo-cons always seem to be looking for excuses to make war.

Real conservatives know that military readiness is important, but they also know that war must be avoided at all costs and only be a last resort.
 
Well, having the worlds 4th largest military is not a sign of weakness. In addition, North Korea has the worlds largest collection of Self-Propelled Artillery. It has tens of thousands of artillery pieces in range of Seoul South Korea. These artillery pieces can fire conventional shells, chemical shells, or biological shells into the Seoul Metropolitan area. Seoul's Metro area has 10 million people. Casualties from a North Korean artillery barrage from just across the border into the Seoul Metro area would be unbelievable, even if they only used conventional explosive shells and not chemical or biological shells. If that was not enough, there is the threat of ballistic missiles armed with Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear warheads, in range of the rest of South Korea and all of Japan.

North Korea's military capabilities cannot be dismissed.

They might be some kind of bully in their little corner of the world, but any sustained conflict would tax them greatly.
Also, in modern warfare, if you can't control your skies you're in very deep shit. I don't care how big you're army is.
 
They might be some kind of bully in their little corner of the world, but any sustained conflict would tax them greatly.
Also, in modern warfare, if you can't control your skies you're in very deep shit. I don't care how big you're army is.

Bioweapons are relatively low-tech, and can be transported anywhere in a suitcase. I can see them being desperate and crazy enough to use them. Unconventional weapons were used in the Korean War.
 
They might be some kind of bully in their little corner of the world, but any sustained conflict would tax them greatly.

True, but aren't there 25,000+ American troops next door vulnerable to the crazy NoKo's ? That could get ugly quickly.

We don't want the North shooting anything anywhere.
 
Haven't the time or energy.
To make up more false allegations?:wink:

but your posts regarding now provably inaccurate claims about the former Iraqi regime military readiness in the area of so-called 'weapons of mass destruction' ('WMD's) would be a case in point.

What exactly were my claims in the area of "so-called weapons of mass destruction"?

My main arguement for military action was Saddam's violation of 17 different UN Security Council resolutions including those involving the verifiable disarmament of his WMD arsonal as well as known unaccounted for stocks of WMD as reported by the UN inspections regime. Saddam's failure to comply with the 17 different UN Security Council resolutions and his failure to account for thousands of stocks of WMD as reported by the United Nations inspections team are FACTS!

Every intelligence agency on the planet estimated that Saddam had active WMD arsonal before the coalition invaded in 2003. It was a fact that Saddam used WMD more times than any leader in modern history. It was a fact that Saddam failed to verifiably disarm of all WMD weapons and related programs as required by the United Nations. Saddam was still in violation of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions as the coalition invaded the country in March 2003. It is still a fact today that UN inspectors have never recieved an accounting from anyone in Saddam's regime of where or what happened to 1,000 liters of Anthrax, 500 tons of mustard gas, 500 tons of Sarin gas, known to be in Saddam's arsonal based on UN inspections in the 1990s. It is also a fact that programs related to the production of WMD that were in violation of the UN ceacefire agreement and multiple UN resolutions, were found after Saddam was removed from power in April 2003.


In general, neo-cons always seem to be looking for excuses to make war.

Like this guy below?

YouTube - Clinton: Iraq Has Abused Its Final Chance

"the hard fact is, that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. The best way to end that threat, once and for all, is with a new Iraqi government. A government ready to live in peace with its neighbors. A government that respects the rights of its people."

Bill Clinton December 16, 1998

Regardless of what part of the political spectrum you think you fall under, its not wise to throw around useless labels like "Neocon" which has really become a term, used by some, to describe ANYONE who supported military action in Iraq at any point in time or favors a strong defense.

Real conservatives know that military readiness is important, but they also know that war must be avoided at all costs and only be a last resort.

Avoiding military action at all costs led to the deadliest conflict in history, World War II. When military action is a necessity is something that should be judged on a case by case basis and NEVER beholden to some arbitrary rule. The failure to take military action can have its own devastating consequences. Thats true whether your a die-hard liberal, real conservative, moderate Republican, conservative democrat, communist, liberatarian etc.
 
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