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Old 06-24-2009, 04:31 AM   #16
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SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map as Washington and its allies watched for signs the regime will launch a series of missiles in the coming days.
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Old 06-24-2009, 02:42 PM   #18
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a few words missing from that statement. Let me fix it.

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SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off their dry-erase board map as Washington and its allies watched for signs the regime will launch a series loltastic empty threats and temper tantrums.
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You know guys I'm scared of making jokes about this. They are crazy enough to actually try something. While we would surely destroy them if they did, a lot of people could get hurt. I'd take this more seriously, not because they are powerful, but because they are dangerously unbalanced.
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Unbalanced? Sort of.
Powerful? Hardly.
Suicidal? Not a chance.
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Old 06-24-2009, 06:20 PM   #21
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Powerful? Hardly.
Well, having the worlds 4th largest military is not a sign of weakness. In addition, North Korea has the worlds largest collection of Self-Propelled Artillery. It has tens of thousands of artillery pieces in range of Seoul South Korea. These artillery pieces can fire conventional shells, chemical shells, or biological shells into the Seoul Metropolitan area. Seoul's Metro area has 10 million people. Casualties from a North Korean artillery barrage from just across the border into the Seoul Metro area would be unbelievable, even if they only used conventional explosive shells and not chemical or biological shells. If that was not enough, there is the threat of ballistic missiles armed with Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear warheads, in range of the rest of South Korea and all of Japan.

North Korea's military capabilities cannot be dismissed.
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Well, having the worlds 4th largest military is not a sign of weakness. In addition, North Korea has the worlds largest collection of Self-Propelled Artillery. It has tens of thousands of artillery pieces in range of Seoul South Korea. These artillery pieces can fire conventional shells, chemical shells, or biological shells into the Seoul Metropolitan area. Seoul's Metro area has 10 million people. Casualties from a North Korean artillery barrage from just across the border into the Seoul Metro area would be unbelievable, even if they only used conventional explosive shells and not chemical or biological shells. If that was not enough, there is the threat of ballistic missiles armed with Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear weapons, in range of the rest of South Korea and all of Japan.

North Korea's military capabilities cannot be dismissed.
North Korea is, unfortunately, a definite threat - mainly to its own people, but also potentially to its neighbours - but sadly, statements made by you regarding military hardware cannot be treated with any reliability, given your poor track record in this particular area - as with most neo-cons.

You could be completely correct or incorrect regarding your assertion that Pyongyang is militarily capable of hitting Seoul with chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, but your statement that this is so makes no difference, at least not to my assessment of the situation.

Remember the old story about the boy who cried wolf?
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You know guys I'm scared of making jokes about this. They are crazy enough to actually try something. While we would surely destroy them if they did, a lot of people could get hurt. I'd take this more seriously, not because they are powerful, but because they are dangerously unbalanced.
Yep, agreed.
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but sadly, opinions of yours regarding military hardware cannot be treated with any reliability, given your poor track record in this area.
Really? Can you elaborate or point to any inaccurate statements made in regard to "military hardware", or is this just a case of a Dublin boy crying wolf?
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Really? Can you elaborate or point to any inaccurate statements made in regard to "military hardware", or is this just a case of a Dublin boy crying wolf?
Haven't the time or energy, but your posts regarding now provably inaccurate claims about the former Iraqi regime military readiness in the area of so-called 'weapons of mass destruction' ('WMD's) would be a case in point. In general, neo-cons always seem to be looking for excuses to make war.

Real conservatives know that military readiness is important, but they also know that war must be avoided at all costs and only be a last resort.
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Well, having the worlds 4th largest military is not a sign of weakness. In addition, North Korea has the worlds largest collection of Self-Propelled Artillery. It has tens of thousands of artillery pieces in range of Seoul South Korea. These artillery pieces can fire conventional shells, chemical shells, or biological shells into the Seoul Metropolitan area. Seoul's Metro area has 10 million people. Casualties from a North Korean artillery barrage from just across the border into the Seoul Metro area would be unbelievable, even if they only used conventional explosive shells and not chemical or biological shells. If that was not enough, there is the threat of ballistic missiles armed with Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear warheads, in range of the rest of South Korea and all of Japan.

North Korea's military capabilities cannot be dismissed.
They might be some kind of bully in their little corner of the world, but any sustained conflict would tax them greatly.
Also, in modern warfare, if you can't control your skies you're in very deep shit. I don't care how big you're army is.
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They might be some kind of bully in their little corner of the world, but any sustained conflict would tax them greatly.
Also, in modern warfare, if you can't control your skies you're in very deep shit. I don't care how big you're army is.
Bioweapons are relatively low-tech, and can be transported anywhere in a suitcase. I can see them being desperate and crazy enough to use them. Unconventional weapons were used in the Korean War.
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They might be some kind of bully in their little corner of the world, but any sustained conflict would tax them greatly.
True, but aren't there 25,000+ American troops next door vulnerable to the crazy NoKo's ? That could get ugly quickly.

We don't want the North shooting anything anywhere.
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I am concerned about our men and women serving there. Hopefully it won't get ugly.
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Haven't the time or energy.
To make up more false allegations?

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but your posts regarding now provably inaccurate claims about the former Iraqi regime military readiness in the area of so-called 'weapons of mass destruction' ('WMD's) would be a case in point.
What exactly were my claims in the area of "so-called weapons of mass destruction"?

My main arguement for military action was Saddam's violation of 17 different UN Security Council resolutions including those involving the verifiable disarmament of his WMD arsonal as well as known unaccounted for stocks of WMD as reported by the UN inspections regime. Saddam's failure to comply with the 17 different UN Security Council resolutions and his failure to account for thousands of stocks of WMD as reported by the United Nations inspections team are FACTS!

Every intelligence agency on the planet estimated that Saddam had active WMD arsonal before the coalition invaded in 2003. It was a fact that Saddam used WMD more times than any leader in modern history. It was a fact that Saddam failed to verifiably disarm of all WMD weapons and related programs as required by the United Nations. Saddam was still in violation of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions as the coalition invaded the country in March 2003. It is still a fact today that UN inspectors have never recieved an accounting from anyone in Saddam's regime of where or what happened to 1,000 liters of Anthrax, 500 tons of mustard gas, 500 tons of Sarin gas, known to be in Saddam's arsonal based on UN inspections in the 1990s. It is also a fact that programs related to the production of WMD that were in violation of the UN ceacefire agreement and multiple UN resolutions, were found after Saddam was removed from power in April 2003.


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In general, neo-cons always seem to be looking for excuses to make war.
Like this guy below?

YouTube - Clinton: Iraq Has Abused Its Final Chance

"the hard fact is, that so long as Saddam remains in power, he threatens the well being of his people, the peace of his region, the security of the world. The best way to end that threat, once and for all, is with a new Iraqi government. A government ready to live in peace with its neighbors. A government that respects the rights of its people."

Bill Clinton December 16, 1998

Regardless of what part of the political spectrum you think you fall under, its not wise to throw around useless labels like "Neocon" which has really become a term, used by some, to describe ANYONE who supported military action in Iraq at any point in time or favors a strong defense.

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Real conservatives know that military readiness is important, but they also know that war must be avoided at all costs and only be a last resort.
Avoiding military action at all costs led to the deadliest conflict in history, World War II. When military action is a necessity is something that should be judged on a case by case basis and NEVER beholden to some arbitrary rule. The failure to take military action can have its own devastating consequences. Thats true whether your a die-hard liberal, real conservative, moderate Republican, conservative democrat, communist, liberatarian etc.
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