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Old 04-28-2010, 04:40 PM   #106
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What about those that had an NDE and years later don't believe?
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This is your logic, if it's on the internet it's true, if it's not it's false?

I want you to really think about that line of logic real hard.

This was a close friend of mine, I heard him for years go on and on about his NDE. But he just no longer believes anymore. NDE's aren't magic they don't guarantee you faith.

What would he have to gain by telling his story? Think about that.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:15 PM   #108
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Just give someone who is a bit eloquent and has a bit of fantasy an hour and he'll write a nice story about how a NDE turned him away from God on one of the respective websites and suddenly it's to be believed.
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Old 04-28-2010, 05:56 PM   #109
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This is your logic, if it's on the internet it's true, if it's not it's false?

I want you to really think about that line of logic real hard.

This was a close friend of mine, I heard him for years go on and on about his NDE. But he just no longer believes anymore. NDE's aren't magic they don't guarantee you faith.

What would he have to gain by telling his story? Think about that.
Scores and scores books have written by credible, intellegent people.

These credible, intellegent people hold seminars and fourms and speak openly about their life changing experiences.(NDEs).

That I post links from the internet, it's because we're an internet based community. People, in attempts to derail the subject, say "don't believe posts on the internet"- selectively.

They know there are reams of information outside of the internet, so the argument is disingenious.

Maybe your friend only had a dream, or more importantly maybe he forgot God will not take anyone's free will and force them to believe the things and experiences that He has shown them. Most people w profound NDEs understand this coming back and have an earnest desire to do only good. I can't speak for your friend.

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Old 04-28-2010, 06:16 PM   #110
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I didn't say "don't believe posts on the internet".

What makes these people "credible"?

There's nothing tangible. The ones that write the book and the ones that don't, nothing makes one more credible than the other. At the end of the day it comes down to faith.

You believe the stories they tell you.

My friend believed and then lost faith in his experience.

And me, I've never found any reason to believe they are anything but a dream.

Just like you said...
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Matthew 12:36, "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
Thanks for proving my point.
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Old 04-28-2010, 06:59 PM   #112
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Thanks for proving my point.
I'm not worried.

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I'm not worried.

As an atheist, neither am I.
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As an atheist, neither am I.

That's understandable.
Atheists usually aren't in this life.
It's after death they have their experiences that usually change their minds.

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Old 04-29-2010, 10:38 AM   #115
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I found this interesting:

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The Number: 49% - Mystical experiences
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Published: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:45 p.m. MDT


About half of the U.S. public (49%) says they have had a religious or mystical experience, defined as a "moment of sudden religious insight or awakening." This is similar to a survey conducted in 2006 but much higher than in surveys conducted in 1976 and 1994, and more than twice as high as in a 1962 Gallup survey (22%). In fact, the 2009 Pew Forum survey finds that religious and mystical experiences are more common today among those who are unaffiliated with any particular religion (30%) than they were in the 1960s among the public as a whole (22%).
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That prompts me to wonder how drug use levels might have affected those increases.

Were those reporting mystical experiences also reporting that they were stone cold sober at the time or...
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That's understandable.
Atheists usually aren't in this life.
It's after death they have their experiences that usually change their minds.

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There is no afterlife to worry about, but you'll never know that because, well, you'll be dead by then.
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There is no afterlife to worry about, but you'll never know that because, well, you'll be dead by then.


It solves itself, doesn't it?
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There is no afterlife to worry about, but you'll never know that because, well, you'll be dead by then.
If you find there actually is one toscano, come find me.


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If you find there actually is one toscano, come find me.


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"if" ???

Not so sure huh ?

Anyhow, of the 2 fantasy lands of which you speak, Conservatives would be in the more fiery place.
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