National Day Of Prayer Is Unconstitutional

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Federal judge rules Day of Prayer unconstitutional

By TODD RICHMOND (AP)

MADISON, Wis. — A federal judge in Wisconsin ruled the National Day of Prayer unconstitutional Thursday, saying the day amounts to a call for religious action.

U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb wrote that the government can no more enact laws supporting a day of prayer than it can encourage citizens to fast during Ramadan, attend a synagogue or practice magic.

"In fact, it is because the nature of prayer is so personal and can have such a powerful effect on a community that the government may not use its authority to try to influence an individual's decision whether and when to pray," Crabb wrote.

Congress established the day in 1952 and in 1988 set the first Thursday in May as the day for presidents to issue proclamations asking Americans to pray. The Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Madison-based group of atheists and agnostics, filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 2008 arguing the day violated the separation of church and state.

President Barack Obama's administration has countered that the statute simply acknowledges the role of religion in the United States. Obama issued a proclamation last year but did not hold public events with religious leaders as former President George W. Bush had done.

Crabb wrote that her ruling shouldn't be considered a bar to any prayer days until all appeals are exhausted. U.S. Justice Department attorneys who represented the federal government in the case were reviewing the ruling Thursday afternoon, agency spokesman Charles Miller said. He declined further comment.

Obama spokesman Matt Lehrich said in an e-mail to The Associated Press the president still plans to issue a proclamation for the next prayer day.

"As he did last year, President Obama intends to recognize a National Day of Prayer," Lehrich said.

The American Center for Law and Justice, which represented 31 members of Congress who joined the federal government as defendants, called Crabb's ruling flawed and promised to appeal.

"It is unfortunate that this court failed to understand that a day set aside for prayer for the country represents a time-honored tradition that embraces the First Amendment, not violates it," ACLJ Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow said in a statement.

The Alliance Defense Fund, an Arizona-based group of Christian lawyers, issued a statement saying Crabb's ruling undermines American tradition dating back to the nation's birth.

Freedom From Religion Foundation attorney Richard Bolton didn't immediately return a message seeking comment.

Crabb wrote that her ruling was not a judgment on the value of prayer. She noted government involvement in prayer may be constitutional if the conduct serves a "significant secular purpose" and doesn't amount to a call for religious action. But the National Day of Prayer crosses that line, she wrote.

"It goes beyond mere 'acknowledgment' of religion because its sole purpose is to encourage all citizens to engage in prayer, an inherently religious exercise that serves no secular function in this context," she wrote. "In this instance, the government has taken sides on a matter that must be left to individual conscience."
 
From my understanding, the National Day of Prayer is a "call" to pray - not a "mandate" to pray.

Still, I don't see why the government needs to be involved with us - it could easily become an established tradition between the different religions.
 
probably chalk this up as a net loss

more fuel on the fire for rhetoric of, activist judges, war on Christmas, etc.

could get a couple more out to the polls, to take their country back,
also some independents be may swayed
 
Actually, you don't need much faith to eat fruits, since you're pretty much guaranteed to live longer.

McDonald's, on the other hand...I pray like crazy when I go there.
 
Hamburger - 250 calories
Side Salad - 20 calories
Newmans Vinaigrette Balsamic Dressing - 40


Total - 310

a 1200- 1300 calories a day diet plus praying 3 times a day
and the weight comes right off - all praise to Jesus
 
Yeah, I'm not the most religious person in the world, but I don't see a problem really with a national day of prayer. It would only be unconstitutional if the President was ordering everyone to pray, and to pray to a specific God or obey a specific faith. And I don't think that's what the point of the day is, and to my knowledge, no president has actively done anything like that yet. It's just simply there for those who wish to pray if they so choose. I've never observed this national day (heck, didn't even know when it was), and nobody's yelled at me or rounded me up or anything yet, so...

Little bit of an overreach here, I'd say.

Angela
 
as a christian and a liberal, it seems my faith is often at odds with my religious beliefs. but i've got to agree with the ruling. there's nothing wrong with christian groups and denominations saying today is a national day of prayer, but to involve the government in declaring such a day is unconstitutional.
 
What about a National Day of Service?

Prayer without action is kind of like faith without fruits...

Yes-and we already have two. MLK day already was, and President Obama designated 9/11 as a national day of service and remembrance by signing the Kennedy Serve America act (it was a bipartisan bill). Of course there were actually people who said that Obama was "desecrating" 9/11 by doing that-Rush Limbaugh was one. And he did actually call it socialist.

Obama did not have the ecumenical prayer service at the WH on the National Day Of Prayer last year that Bush held every year.

We have many national days of ____. Who actually participates or feels any pressure to participate? So anyone can have his/her own freedom from religion on that day, and I would agree that it's an overreach to file lawsuits over it and to act as if you're being forced into anything and/or offended. But I don't think it's any "war" on Christmas or Christians or religion. I still pray when and where I want to.
 
I don't feel slapped in the face :shrug:


By Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — If President Obama fails to intervene to allow controversial evangelist Franklin Graham to lead a National Day of Prayer event Thursday inside the Pentagon, "it will be a slap in the face of all Christians," Graham said Tuesday.

And invited or not, he'll stand in front of the Pentagon and pray, Graham said in an interview.

The Pentagon had invited a private national evangelical group, the National Day of Prayer Task Force, of which Graham is 2010 honorary chairman, to lead an official prayer service there. The prayers are for the U.S. military; Graham's son is on his fourth tour in Afghanistan.

But the invitation was rescinded after mainline Protestants, Muslims and Jews complained that Graham offends and excludes many believers because of his strict views on Christianity and his comments that Islam is "evil."

The Task Force requires organizers and prayer leaders to sign a statement of beliefs agreeing that salvation is only through Christ and that the Bible is inerrant — views not shared by all Christians, including Catholics and many mainline Protestants.

In an interview Tuesday with USA TODAY, Graham reiterated his belief that "Muslims do not worship the same 'God the Father' I worship." He laughed at Hinduism's many manifestations of God: "No elephant with 100 arms can do anything for me. None of their 9,000 gods is going to lead me to salvation.

"We are fooling ourselves if we think we can have some big kumbaya service and all hold hands and it's all going to get better in this world. It's not going to get better," Graham said.

He also said Obama pays attention only to black charismatic and Pentecostal pastors, such as his spiritual adviser, Joshua Dubois. Dubois heads the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, which has dozens of advisers from a wide spectrum of denominations.

Obama invited scores of pastors to an Easter breakfast, attended the National Prayer Breakfast, and signed the annual proclamation for the National Day of Prayer. The administration is appealing a federal court ruling that the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional.

"The president is a committed Christian who is proud of his engagement with people of faith," White House spokesman Shin Inouye said Tuesday.

Still, Graham said, he "warned" Dubois that Obama is losing millions of "mainstream evangelicals" because he appears to be "soft on Islam" and he doesn't stand up for the "rights of the historic Christian majority." (Dubois declined to respond about a private conversation.)

Graham told USA TODAY that when Obama visited his father, 91-year-old evangelist Billy Graham, last month, the younger Graham asked the president to intercede with the Pentagon to restore his invitation. He said Obama replied that he would "look into it."

On Tuesday, Task Force spokesman Michael Calhoun said there had been no word from the White House on the matter.

The Task Force holds its main services Thursday morning at a House of Representatives office building. Graham says after he prays at the Pentagon, he'll join the group on Capitol Hill. Everyone, of any faith, is welcome to join their Christian prayers.
 
I don't feel slapped in the face :shrug:

That's because you aren't a "real" christian. ;)


Franklin Graham is such a nasty, whiny little bastard. I will never understand why anyone would want to be associated with him in any way whatsoever. Ugh. :yuck:
 
Matthew 6:5

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
 
I'm mindful of the person who said, on the subject of ruling out prayer in schools, "As long as there are final exams there will be prayer in schools..."

As long as there are corrupt politicians, selfish bureaucrats, and highway traffic, there will be national days of prayer.
 
By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln

William H. Seward,
Secretary of State

Not that Abe Lincoln was asking the nation to pray on this Day of Thanksgiving or anything. That would be unconstitutional.
 
INDY, why would you want Pharisees? Why would you want those that have to pray to be seen?

I would think you'd want something sincere, a little more Christ-like :shrug:
 
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