This woman is clearly insane, and all you need for proof is the fact that she thought this was a good idea. There's no way she can raise that many kids, and they're going to have all sorts of problems of their own. SHe needs to be filled up with cement ASAP.
Mother of octuplets already had six kids
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Yes, perhaps she has psychiatric issues, why she needs punishing because of that I don't know.
People seem to forget, in their ruthless lambasting of this woman, that she's still a Mother to those kids... maybe someone should have stepped in before, the authorities or what not, and helped her before she'd gotten to the point of having so many kids. She needed and needs help - not death threats from people she's never even met.
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I think it's pretty standard for all the states, but I'm not sure. In my state there are at least three types of assistance:
1) cash assistance
2) food stamps
3) medical
You have to qualify for each one and it is very possible to get one but not the others. So, yes, you can get food stamps which only allow you to buy food, but not get any actual cash.
AliEnvy
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omg this made me laugh...so true! Then I read about the death threats. Now that's some serious psychological projection.
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Birth of Octuplets Puts Focus on Fertility Clinics
By STEPHANIE SAUL
New York Times, February 12
MONTEBELLO, Calif. — Pictures of children, his trophies, decorate Dr. Tien C. Chiu’s office. Three smiling siblings, he says, were the first Japanese-American triplets conceived in a laboratory, while the robust-looking quadruplets were born after sperm was injected into their mother’s eggs with a needle. To the couples who turned to Dr. Chiu to have families, the babies were special gifts. To the government and fertility industry, though, such large multiple births have begun to look like breakdowns in the system. The issue has taken on renewed scrutiny since a California woman, Nadya Suleman, who already had six children conceived through in vitro procedures, gave birth to octuplets near here last month.
Nearly a third of in vitro births involve twins or more. The government, along with professional associations, have been pushing fertility doctors to reduce that number, citing the disastrous health consequences that sometimes come with multiple births—infant mortality, low birth weights, long-term disabilities and thousands of dollars’ worth of medical care. The American Society for Reproductive Medicine, the association of fertility doctors, even adopted guidelines in 2008 encouraging the transfer of only one embryo for women under 35, and no more than two, except in extraordinary circumstances. The guidelines allow more for older women, up to a maximum of five. But unlike some other countries, the United States has no laws to enforce those guidelines. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has a surveillance system that collects data on fertility clinics, but reporting is voluntary and there are no government sanctions for not reporting. As a result, experts say many doctors are still implanting too many embryos to increase the chance of pregnancy. Only 11% of in vitro procedures in the United States involve single embryos, according to 2006 data from the C.D.C.
But the 2008 guidelines say that in many cases, it is healthier to implant only one embryo, even if it means the process has to be repeated, because of the risk of multiple births. In the case of Ms. Suleman, the California Medical Board said it was investigating her fertility doctor, Michael M. Kamrava, to determine whether accepted standards of medical practice had been violated. In an interview with NBC News, Ms. Suleman, 33, said that Dr. Kamrava had implanted six embryos, and that two of them had divided into twins, resulting in eight babies. “She wanted to have many, many babies,” said Dr. Chiu, who added that he had formerly treated Ms. Suleman but declined to give details.
Efforts to reduce the multiple birth rate are also sources of tension in the industry. One cycle of in vitro fertilization costs about $12,000. Women who are not successful the first time often try again and again, which can push the cost of having a baby to more than $100,000. Because the technology is often not covered by insurance, doctors say they are constantly urged by patients to implant extra embryos. One woman, a nurse who could afford only one try at in vitro, pressured Dr. Chiu to transfer eight embryos. “I said under one condition,” Dr. Chiu remembered. “I made her sign an agreement that she would do selective reduction.” That agreement, to remove some of the embryos if they lived, was very likely unenforceable. But in the end it worked out. Only one embryo survived, and the woman gave birth to a healthy child, he said. Dr. Chiu said that a situation in which he would implant eight embryos would be a rarity, adding, “I don’t think any doctor would try to make a multiple pregnancy.”
Ms. Suleman now has 14 children born through in vitro fertilization. In the NBC interview, she identified the clinic where she received her treatment as the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills, Calif., which Dr. Kamrava runs. Dr. Kamrava did not return telephone calls seeking comment. Ms. Suleman said in the interview that she was aware of the risks of multiple births, but that she wanted to use all the embryos available to her.
The treatment involves removing eggs from a woman’s ovaries, combining them with sperm in a laboratory, and implanting the resulting embryos in the woman’s uterus. (In some cases the eggs come from a donor.) The number of embryos implanted is often a judgment call and can make a big difference in a pregnancy’s outcome. “Every single decision we make about embryo transfers is a tough one, because we don’t have a crystal ball,” said Dr. Jeffrey M. Steinberg, who runs the Fertility Institutes, a group of fertility clinics based in Southern California.
The industry has doubled in size in the decade since the C.D.C. started collecting data in 1996. That year, 64,681 procedures were performed in 330 clinics. At last count, the number of procedures was up to 134,260 and there were more than 483 clinics across the country. More than 50,000 children a year are born as a result of in vitro fertilization in the United States. Nationwide, it is a more than $1 billion business...Part of the reason doctors might acquiesce to a patient’s wish could be the fierce competition in the industry. California has more doctors performing in vitro fertilization than any other state, with many concentrated in the Los Angeles area. The competition means that sales pitches are not unusual. The Huntington Reproductive Center offers a refund for some women. No pregnancy? You get 90% of your money back. Want to predict the sex of your baby? That is 99.99% guaranteed at the Fertility Institutes.
...Several Southern California doctors disclosed embryo transfer rates significantly higher than the national norm, according to the C.D.C. data. A look at Dr. Kamrava’s statistics in 2006, for example, might have raised red flags. They revealed that Dr. Kamrava’s clinic had one of the nation’s highest rates of embryo transfer in younger women—3.5 versus a national average of 2.3. Such high embryo-transfer rates are sometimes an indication that a doctor is being too aggressive in trying to raise the number of pregnancies. In Dr. Kamrava’s case, however, those numbers were among the lowest in the nation. Of 56 procedures performed by his clinic in 2006, only two resulted in women giving birth, one to a single baby and the other to twins.
The twins may have been the set born to Ms. Suleman that year.
By STEPHANIE SAUL
New York Times, February 12
MONTEBELLO, Calif. — Pictures of children, his trophies, decorate Dr. Tien C. Chiu’s office. Three smiling siblings, he says, were the first Japanese-American triplets conceived in a laboratory, while the robust-looking quadruplets were born after sperm was injected into their mother’s eggs with a needle. To the couples who turned to Dr. Chiu to have families, the babies were special gifts. To the government and fertility industry, though, such large multiple births have begun to look like breakdowns in the system. The issue has taken on renewed scrutiny since a California woman, Nadya Suleman, who already had six children conceived through in vitro procedures, gave birth to octuplets near here last month.
Nearly a third of in vitro births involve twins or more. The government, along with professional associations, have been pushing fertility doctors to reduce that number, citing the disastrous health consequences that sometimes come with multiple births—infant mortality, low birth weights, long-term disabilities and thousands of dollars’ worth of medical care. The American Society for Reproductive Medicine, the association of fertility doctors, even adopted guidelines in 2008 encouraging the transfer of only one embryo for women under 35, and no more than two, except in extraordinary circumstances. The guidelines allow more for older women, up to a maximum of five. But unlike some other countries, the United States has no laws to enforce those guidelines. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has a surveillance system that collects data on fertility clinics, but reporting is voluntary and there are no government sanctions for not reporting. As a result, experts say many doctors are still implanting too many embryos to increase the chance of pregnancy. Only 11% of in vitro procedures in the United States involve single embryos, according to 2006 data from the C.D.C.
But the 2008 guidelines say that in many cases, it is healthier to implant only one embryo, even if it means the process has to be repeated, because of the risk of multiple births. In the case of Ms. Suleman, the California Medical Board said it was investigating her fertility doctor, Michael M. Kamrava, to determine whether accepted standards of medical practice had been violated. In an interview with NBC News, Ms. Suleman, 33, said that Dr. Kamrava had implanted six embryos, and that two of them had divided into twins, resulting in eight babies. “She wanted to have many, many babies,” said Dr. Chiu, who added that he had formerly treated Ms. Suleman but declined to give details.
Efforts to reduce the multiple birth rate are also sources of tension in the industry. One cycle of in vitro fertilization costs about $12,000. Women who are not successful the first time often try again and again, which can push the cost of having a baby to more than $100,000. Because the technology is often not covered by insurance, doctors say they are constantly urged by patients to implant extra embryos. One woman, a nurse who could afford only one try at in vitro, pressured Dr. Chiu to transfer eight embryos. “I said under one condition,” Dr. Chiu remembered. “I made her sign an agreement that she would do selective reduction.” That agreement, to remove some of the embryos if they lived, was very likely unenforceable. But in the end it worked out. Only one embryo survived, and the woman gave birth to a healthy child, he said. Dr. Chiu said that a situation in which he would implant eight embryos would be a rarity, adding, “I don’t think any doctor would try to make a multiple pregnancy.”
Ms. Suleman now has 14 children born through in vitro fertilization. In the NBC interview, she identified the clinic where she received her treatment as the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills, Calif., which Dr. Kamrava runs. Dr. Kamrava did not return telephone calls seeking comment. Ms. Suleman said in the interview that she was aware of the risks of multiple births, but that she wanted to use all the embryos available to her.
The treatment involves removing eggs from a woman’s ovaries, combining them with sperm in a laboratory, and implanting the resulting embryos in the woman’s uterus. (In some cases the eggs come from a donor.) The number of embryos implanted is often a judgment call and can make a big difference in a pregnancy’s outcome. “Every single decision we make about embryo transfers is a tough one, because we don’t have a crystal ball,” said Dr. Jeffrey M. Steinberg, who runs the Fertility Institutes, a group of fertility clinics based in Southern California.
The industry has doubled in size in the decade since the C.D.C. started collecting data in 1996. That year, 64,681 procedures were performed in 330 clinics. At last count, the number of procedures was up to 134,260 and there were more than 483 clinics across the country. More than 50,000 children a year are born as a result of in vitro fertilization in the United States. Nationwide, it is a more than $1 billion business...Part of the reason doctors might acquiesce to a patient’s wish could be the fierce competition in the industry. California has more doctors performing in vitro fertilization than any other state, with many concentrated in the Los Angeles area. The competition means that sales pitches are not unusual. The Huntington Reproductive Center offers a refund for some women. No pregnancy? You get 90% of your money back. Want to predict the sex of your baby? That is 99.99% guaranteed at the Fertility Institutes.
...Several Southern California doctors disclosed embryo transfer rates significantly higher than the national norm, according to the C.D.C. data. A look at Dr. Kamrava’s statistics in 2006, for example, might have raised red flags. They revealed that Dr. Kamrava’s clinic had one of the nation’s highest rates of embryo transfer in younger women—3.5 versus a national average of 2.3. Such high embryo-transfer rates are sometimes an indication that a doctor is being too aggressive in trying to raise the number of pregnancies. In Dr. Kamrava’s case, however, those numbers were among the lowest in the nation. Of 56 procedures performed by his clinic in 2006, only two resulted in women giving birth, one to a single baby and the other to twins.
The twins may have been the set born to Ms. Suleman that year.
MrsSpringsteen
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Ouch. That woman deserves a medal!
Galeongirl
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That looks PAINFUL. 
MissVelvetDress_75
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It always amazes me how the human skin can stretch.
MrsSpringsteen
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I applaud you for your honesty
Holy stretch marks-that's all I can say. It does look so painful.
Liesje
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I can't believe that her face is more distracting to me than her belly!
A_Wanderer
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I can see what she was going for
Not quite, A_W
Angelina Jolie 'creeped out' by octuplets mother after receiving letters from her - and hearing rumours of her plastic surgery | Mail Online
I don't know if this is true or not, but with this woman, anything is possible.
Angelina Jolie 'creeped out' by octuplets mother after receiving letters from her - and hearing rumours of her plastic surgery | Mail Online
I don't know if this is true or not, but with this woman, anything is possible.
MrsSpringsteen
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^ I read that it wasn't true
OctoMom Could Lose Her Crib
Posted Feb 18th 2009 2:15PM by TMZ Staff
Nadya Suleman may be out on the streets with her 14 kids. TMZ has documents showing the house she's living in could go on the auction block because the mortgage hasn't been paid in 10 months.
According to documents filed earlier this month, OctoGrandma (who owns the house) hasn't made any payments on her home since May, 2008 -- she's behind $23,224.98.
The mortgage company filed a "Notice of Default and Election to Sell Under Deed of Trust" on Feb 5. Translation: "Pay us now or we're selling your home and kicking you, your daughter and her 14 kids out on the street."
The mortgage company tells TMZ the notice is still active.
I know it's not at all funny, this story..but I'm still laughing at OctoGrandma. I love that TMZ, especially the tv show..and the long haired blond dude and Harvey Levin constantly drinking from that sippy cup
OctoMom Could Lose Her Crib
Posted Feb 18th 2009 2:15PM by TMZ Staff
Nadya Suleman may be out on the streets with her 14 kids. TMZ has documents showing the house she's living in could go on the auction block because the mortgage hasn't been paid in 10 months.
According to documents filed earlier this month, OctoGrandma (who owns the house) hasn't made any payments on her home since May, 2008 -- she's behind $23,224.98.
The mortgage company filed a "Notice of Default and Election to Sell Under Deed of Trust" on Feb 5. Translation: "Pay us now or we're selling your home and kicking you, your daughter and her 14 kids out on the street."
The mortgage company tells TMZ the notice is still active.
I know it's not at all funny, this story..but I'm still laughing at OctoGrandma. I love that TMZ, especially the tv show..and the long haired blond dude and Harvey Levin constantly drinking from that sippy cup
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^ Guess they better get cracking on those donation solicitations. 
nathan1977
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You know, I have no idea what to think about this whole situation. But this post is disgusting.
Irvine511
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agreed.
MrsSpringsteen
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Purplereign
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^ that is one scary looking link . . .is it safe to click 
MrsSpringsteen
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There's no video-but there is a picture of her pregnant belly tmz style. They're asking seven figures for the tape.
Purplereign
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Seriously what kind of sicko would want to watch that *insertshuddersmileyhere*
just re read own post and came off a little um, harsh . . . am guessing maybe dad might, at a push, want to watch, but anyone else
what kind of sicko would want to watch that *insertshuddersmileyhere*just re read own post and came off a little um, harsh . . . am guessing maybe dad might, at a push, want to watch, but anyone else
MrsSpringsteen
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Seriously
I think I might have read in FYM once about breastfeeding fetish magazines/sites and the like..so one never knows
I think I might have read in FYM once about breastfeeding fetish magazines/sites and the like..so one never knows
The strange thing though is that I'd assume that people who are really interested would pay up good money if it were a vaginal delivery. But what are you going to see on a tape of a c-section delivery of 8? 40+ doctors and nurses scurrying about?
MrsSpringsteen
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I'm glad the kids will be well sheltered-she put down a "substantial' down payment with what she's made so far. Her father supposedly bought it though, so who knows..$564,900
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