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Old 02-06-2009, 06:01 PM   #76
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It's a reproductive choice.

(The state of California can afford her health care)

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Old 02-06-2009, 10:07 PM   #77
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That's why I feel so funny being so judgemental of her. It's hard to be so in favor of reproductive choice in some areas, and so ZOMG IRRESPONSIBLE!!!!! in this area.

But I can't help it. I feel this woman has acted very irresponsibly.
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:32 PM   #78
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It's a reproductive choice.
Yep it is. If she wants to use her body as a clown car, well, I'm not going to tell her she can't. And while I don't think huge families and litters of children are an ideal environment for most kids, they are her kids and her responsibility and unless she's abusive or seriously neglectful, I don't see that they are anyone else's business.

I am glad my mum didn't pull any shit like that though. I was the last of three kids. That was plenty. After all, why continue when you've achieved perfection.
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Old 02-07-2009, 11:11 AM   #79
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Oy vey. This woman, she has problems. Not the least of which is the idea that she will enjoy 8 more screaming infants. But you know, as a person who is childfree and happy, I don't understand why she wanted even one, let alone 14. I mean, seriously, lady, there are other, better ways of curing your lonliness than having litters. Even dogs and cats don't normally have more than 6. And they'r edesigned to have litters.

She needs to have those children removed and given to families that can afford to raise them well. She won't be able to do it.

ETA: Talk about 'baby rabies'. This woman is a prime example of what some childfree have labeled someone who can't breathe without talking about how much they want children.
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It looked like she had plastic surgery on her face.
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:10 PM   #81
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I thought she looked a bit like Angelina Jolie.
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Old 02-08-2009, 06:58 PM   #82
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I thought she looked a bit like Angelina Jolie.
I thought that too I wonder if there are any old pictures of her ..(her lips) around.

part of what pisses me off is all of the disability she's received from the state. If your body is strong enough to carry 8 babies I think you could have performed some sort of work over the past many years. Oh and how does someone who is disabled physically care for that many children?!

I really resent that she and young able bodied people like her collect funds, while elderly people go without necessary medications because they aren't getting their social security checks and that our system allows it to happen.
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I think what pisses me off the most about this is that there are alot of people who can't have kids. Here she is popping them out without a care in the world. She doesn't seem to care how it affects the people around her.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:44 AM   #84
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Agreed with both last two posts.
This woman should be perfectly able to work, she's young and obviously physically healthy. And yet she gets tax money because she popped out 14 kids? That's ridiculous.
If she wants so many kids, she oughta work for it! And perhaps she should've found a father first, so at least one person in the family would have a job.

I know someone who badly wants to have a baby, but she has a disease in the ovaries so it's really hard to get one. After various treatments there's still no results.
This is a stable family where the financial situation is also stable and they would love to welcome a child and love it and care for it. But they seem unable to get one.
And then there's this single, jobless woman who's obsessed with children who gets 14 babies and lives off government money.

Fucked up situation. Badly badly messed up.
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LOS ANGELES – The mother of the woman who used a fertility doctor to give birth to octuplets, despite already having six young children, called her daughter's actions "unconscionable" in an interview posted online Sunday.

Angela Suleman is caring for the six older children while her daughter is hospitalized after giving birth Jan. 26 to the octuplets.

"She already has six beautiful children, why would she do this?" Angela Suleman said in the videotaped interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com. "I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house."

The Web site posted photographs from inside Angela Suleman's disheveled three-bedroom home, where Nadya and her brood also live. Heaps of clothing pour from an open closet door and a carpeted bedroom, where a bedsheet serves as a curtain, is cluttered with cribs.

Nadya Suleman's publicist Mike Furtney said that his client has been away for nearly two months, so shouldn't be held responsible for the home's current condition.

Furtney said his client planned to move into a larger home once the octuplets were healthy enough to leave doctors' care.

He declined to comment on any of the remarks Angela Suleman made about her daughter in the interview.

"Those are very personal issues between a mother and a daughter," he said.

Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

"He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," she said. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."

Nadya Suleman, a divorced single mother, told NBC's "Today" show that the same fertility specialist provided in-vitro fertilization for all 14 of her children.

Angela Suleman seemed to contradict that account, saying the fertility specialist who helped her daughter give birth to the octuplets was a different doctor from the one who aided in the birth of her first six children.

Angela Suleman said she and her husband pleaded with Nadya's first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again, so Nadya found another doctor to work with.

"I'm really angry about that," Angela Suleman said of the doctor's decision to perform the procedure.

A Medical Board of California spokeswoman said Friday that it was investigating the doctor — who has not been identified — to see if there was a "violation of the standard of care." The spokeswoman did not elaborate on the nature of the potential violations.

Angela Suleman also challenged her daughter's remarks in the NBC interview that she always wanted a large family to make up for the loneliness she felt as an only child.

"We raised her in a loving family and her father always spoiled her," Angela said.

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Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

"He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," she said. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."

Nadya Suleman, a divorced single mother, told NBC's "Today" show that the same fertility specialist provided in-vitro fertilization for all 14 of her children.

Angela Suleman seemed to contradict that account, saying the fertility specialist who helped her daughter give birth to the octuplets was a different doctor from the one who aided in the birth of her first six children.

Angela Suleman said she and her husband pleaded with Nadya's first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again, so Nadya found another doctor to work with.

"I'm really angry about that," Angela Suleman said of the doctor's decision to perform the procedure.

A Medical Board of California spokeswoman said Friday that it was investigating the doctor — who has not been identified — to see if there was a "violation of the standard of care." The spokeswoman did not elaborate on the nature of the potential violations.

Angela Suleman also challenged her daughter's remarks in the NBC interview that she always wanted a large family to make up for the loneliness she felt as an only child.

"We raised her in a loving family and her father always spoiled her," Angela said.
This just proves that Nadya has mental issues. I know it sounds harsh, but its true.

I predict that services will take all her kids away due to neglect.
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:05 PM   #87
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Damn, it just keeps getting sadder

The thing that really burns are the doctors -what the hey are they thinking - they either didn't do enough background checks, or don't really give a shit about the welfare of the people and children they are helping create - they hide behind that lame arsed argument about not being here to pass judgements but they don't seem to give a jot about the quality of life these potential new little people will have . . .

I will happily be proved wrong on this one because it just makes me every kind of sad to think of the misery that could follow these 14 children around for a long time to come
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It looked like she had plastic surgery on her face.
Looks like she had at least a nose job and gross amounts of lip work She's obviously capable of coming up with the money for that on her own.

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Angela Suleman also challenged her daughter's remarks in the NBC interview that she always wanted a large family to make up for the loneliness she felt as an only child.

"We raised her in a loving family and her father always spoiled her," Angela said.
This is my huge problem with the whole thing. This statement and her own words in an interview I watched last night where she said she had the need to connect and that's why she had children.

You don't have children to fulfill your own needs That's a setup for disaster right there.
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I wonder why she didn't think of her kids' "need to connect" - how will she be able to maintain a close relationship with each of her 14 children - especially when she has a special needs child that she will have to give extra attention to? I think that she thought of her own "needs" but gave no thought to her children's.

I just feel that while she has made a "reproductive choice", she has done so in a very irresponsible manner, and for extremely selfish reasons. Her kids will probably have to suffer for her thoughtlessness, and that's just not fair.
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Nadya Suleman has told her side of her story to Ann Curry, and I don’t feel the outrage I’d expected to feel. With her doctors, yes, but not with Suleman. For her I just feel sad. What I saw on the Today Show this morning was a woman with Angelina Jolie’s lips, and, one might extrapolate, her dream of a sprawling family. Her reason, Suleman told Curry, was she’d felt lonely and unloved as a child, and wanted to fill that void.

As she tells the story, 6 embryos were transferred with each of her previous pregnancies. 4 of those transfers resulted in a single baby. One resulted in twins. This final time though, the 6 embryos led to 8 newborns, meaning she was never trying to have 14 children, she was trying to have 7, with a slight risk of 8, but knew going in that she would not selectively reduce should there be more.

So let’s just talk about the 7 or 8 anticipated children. 8 children? When you have no income and just one pair of hands? When your goal in the first place was to give your kids the time and attention you didn’t get as a child? How do you give enough time and attention to 8—never mind 14? The question at the core of all this is: how many is too many? It was a question explored by Kate Zernike yesterday in the Style section, in an article about the stigma parents of large families feel—the stares from strangers, the assumptions that they are some sort of “religious freaks.” A few of the families in the story had as many as a dozen kids, but most were feeling judged with 5 or 6.

So, public opinion, as judged from the talk shows and the blogosphere, says 14 is too many. And it feels like Nadya Suleman’s quest for her seventh was also too many. But 5? How about 4? Is there such a difference between 4 and 5? Or 5 and 6? Or the jump to 7? What’s one more, really? Then why do we feel so strongly? The “line,” when you start examining it, is arbitrary. In China, where the law limits most families to one, a poll shows that 70% of women want 2 or more. (The fact that Chinese authorities released that poll earlier this year is seen as a hint that the law might change. Perhaps that has something to do with stories like this.)

The “right” number seems to lie somewhere between China and Nadya Suleman. And each of us believes we know it when we reach it (and we know that it’s been crossed by someone else). But on what do we base that belief? The ability to pay for the children? The limits on the attention they will receive? Is Suleman right when she tells Curry that people are judging her not because of the size of her brood, but because she chose to have them as a single Mom? How many is too many, and who gets to decide?
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