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Old 08-08-2010, 02:52 AM   #121
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i disagree. i think porn is porn, and its about fucking. .
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i disagree. i think porn is porn, and its about fucking. i think that the male equivalent to the unrealistic expectations in a rom-com would be the heroics of the aforementioned Han Solo or Indiana Jones (or James Bond, or Jason Bourne, or whatever).
Porn is about fantasy fucking and many women feel threatened by the idea that they don't measure up to their partners' sexual fantasies.

In that context, the Indiana Jones comparison isn't valid. If box office receipts are an indicator, women generally fantasize about romantic heroes.


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men like porn and women like rom-coms? were i a woman i'd be upset at the simplification of my sexuality required of the comparison.
There are multi-billion dollar industries built on these simplifications spawned from the simplistic notion that men are sexual and women are emotional. Simplistic and prevalent. And profitable.
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:01 AM   #123
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Not sure if I'd agree, I think there's a valid debate to be had around pornography. I would automatically discount viewpoints based solely on religious strictures, but still.
I think the non-religious problem with porn is that it reduces people to nothing more than objects of desire. It can also disturb the wiring in our minds to think of sex differently than what it is actually like. This results in poor intimacy skills in genuine sexual relationships. Also ,anything that degrades the dignity of a human being in fantasy can change your attitude in reality.

I'm not judging those that view it or make it or saying it should be illegal. I once had a problem with it myself. It's an easy trap to fall into. I'm just saying that I think it does cause wounds in the mind and wounds take time to heal. Also, does it pass this litmus test: would I mind if my own daughter did this? (acting in porn movies)

From a religious perspective - I've noticed that since I've been praying the Rosary this year that my overall attitude toward women has improved. Old wounds are finally healing. Now, I appreciate their courage, strength, sweetness, and beauty (in the genuine sense). Reducing women in any way seems terribly sad; it doesn't seem that it is the Better Way...

In my opinion Jesus (forget for a moment the idea he was Son of God), showed us how to live a good life here on earth in a very practical way. The same with Buddha and a host of other men and women of wisdom through the ages. I can't imagine any of the greatest thinkers in our history arguing for the goodness of porn.
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I think the non-religious problem with porn is that it reduces people to nothing more than objects of desire.
I think that underlying this is a religious argument.

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It can also disturb the wiring in our minds to think of sex differently than what it is actually like. This results in poor intimacy skills in genuine sexual relationships.
Yes, I can see how that might happen, and this is probably getting closer to what I was thinking of in regards to my earlier post. Although, that said, whilst hypothetically it may or may not be true that some kinds of porn, for some individuals, result in poor intimacy skills in genuine sexual relationships, it's also something of a value judgment and not one I'm prepared to accept without seeing some research to validate it.

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Also ,anything that degrades the dignity of a human being in fantasy can change your attitude in reality.
Again, I think that underlying this is a religious argument.

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Also, does it pass this litmus test: would I mind if my own daughter did this? (acting in porn movies)
Ok, I'll give you that. No father wants to envisage their daughter making a living in that way, and that's understandable. If I had a daughter then, no, I probably wouldn't be over-the-moon if she announced at the age of 18 that she planned on entering the adult entertainment industry. Yes, I'd be disappointed. I'm not sure that I'm be morally outraged, however. Would you be happy if your daughter became an arms dealer, or a Wall Street broker getting rich on mis-marketing securities to old age pensioners, for example? Both these career choices are surely much more damaging to society

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I can't imagine any of the greatest thinkers in our history arguing for the goodness of porn.
I have the distinct impression that some of them would, but I take it you would not include Oscar Wilde, Thomas Paine, Friedrich Nietzsche or Ayn Rand among your list of greatest thinkers of history?
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Porn is about fantasy fucking and many women feel threatened by the idea that they don't measure up to their partners' sexual fantasies.

In that context, the Indiana Jones comparison isn't valid. If box office receipts are an indicator, women generally fantasize about romantic heroes.

no, it's the Indiana Jones = Meg Ryan that's the legitimate comparison, not Jennifer Aniston vs. porn.

porn is porn. movies are movies. porn is a masturbatory assistant, movies are entertainment.




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There are multi-billion dollar industries built on these simplifications spawned from the simplistic notion that men are sexual and women are emotional. Simplistic and prevalent. And profitable.

Hollywood dwarfs the porn industry. romantic comedies are one of several basic genre films that have been around for over 70 years. women are more drawn to romantic comedies than men are, and men are more drawn to action films than women are.
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no, it's the Indiana Jones = Meg Ryan that's the legitimate comparison, not Jennifer Aniston vs. porn.
No, what I'm saying is that Jenna Jameson (porn object of male sexual fantasy) = John Cusack (rom com object of female romantic fantasy).
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No, what I'm saying is that Jenna Jameson (porn object of male sexual fantasy) = John Cusack (rom com object of female romantic fantasy).


i guess it's a heterosexual thing, then. i guess it really sucks that women think that men are thinking this, because i don't think that they are.
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i guess it really sucks that women think that men are thinking this, because i don't think that they are.
Agreed...mostly (i.e. unless porn tips into the addictive behaviour category). I do think AEON made some interesting points though about it potentially interfering with intimacy for some.
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So Girls Gone Wild is the exception rather than the rule in the adult entertainment industry? Because I know we all found the owner of that brand and what he does pretty repellant.

That alone should be raise ethical questions about pornography.
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Old 08-11-2010, 06:14 AM   #130
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do married women look at other men as much as married men would look at other women?
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i find it odd that these discussions are brought up.

monogamy isn't natural, no, but then again, has anyone noticed that we are much more evolved than apes? it seems silly to me when people campaign against something "because it goes against nature!" we don't live in caves anymore.
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Old 08-11-2010, 06:36 AM   #132
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But, I think there is a certain amount of responsibility if a woman is ignoring legitimate needs of her husband.
see this, I hear and read this a lot more than I do about a womans needs.

its almost like, esp when she marries the guy, that she is his slave.......

'Im the man, you must satisfy me, and slave for me otherwise I leave you, bitch!'





I think Im better off never being more than mates with guys. seriously. if this is what I will be met with.
I know, Im naive because Im an observer.

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I think both people need to consider the needs of the other equally-that's part of equality in a relationship. We don't live in Mad Men times any more. I get what you're saying mad1
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thanks Mrs.........cause to be honest wit cha, the more I read and hear all this, the more withdrawn I become.

yes yes, my own issue I know..................but still.......its a bigger issue if its more so seen that men own women.
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thanks Mrs.........cause to be honest wit cha, the more I read and hear all this, the more withdrawn I become.

yes yes, my own issue I know..................but still.......its a bigger issue if its more so seen that men own women.
I don't think you should give up on men based on reading some silly posts on a silly internet forum.
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