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Old 07-06-2010, 03:53 PM   #31
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why on earth would people keep having children then? The answer, which the NPR reporter, a new mother herself, concluded with is that there is something beyond happiness that many people gain from parenthood.
Again, the quest for unconditional love and fulfillment.

How did NPR define happiness for the comparison?
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Old 07-06-2010, 03:57 PM   #32
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reminds me of the opening 5-10 minutes of "Up."



imho, the opening is as perfect a piece of filmmaking as has ever been made.
Moved me to tears. Brilliant. They could have stopped there and I would have been satisfied.
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Again, the quest for unconditional love and fulfillment.

How did NPR define happiness for the comparison?
I don't recall that they did. I need to find the link, if there is one. It was such a profound piece. I'm planning a blog entry on the topic.
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The brilliance of the opening sequence of Up is that it moves men in a way that mushiness in movies usually only moves us chicks.

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I have to admit, I understand the appeal of this. I really do. It just seems impossible to actually live out without reprocussions. And my view of morality is just that--you avoid doing the things that lead to reprocussions to others and yourself. If there are truly no reprocussions then there is no moral violation--otherwise morality is just abritrary nonsense.


Yet some are able to pull it off smoothly just as others are able to pull off cradle to grave.

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another question: is dishonesty important in relationships? i'm not talking about lying about having another wife or lying about having been in jail. i'm talking about the little white lies we tell day in and day out in order to facilitate living together. perhaps i don't really like your lemon bars, or maybe that shirt does make you look fat, but i lie to you for your own happiness. do we lie because we love?
Pardon me for bringing kids back into the discussion for a moment. When my girls were about 20 months and 6 months old respectively, the older one blamed the younger one for something she knew she wasn't allowed to do (and something that was actually impossible for the younger one to pull off).

A lie, not even 2 years old yet! How? Why?

Kids lie in order not to disappoint their parents. So maybe we do lie because we love, or rather are afraid to lose love, or don't want to hurt those we love.
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Yet some are able to pull it off smoothly just as others are able to pull off cradle to grave.
I'm not sure I follow you. Could you elaborate on this?



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Pardon me for bringing kids back into the discussion for a moment. When my girls were about 20 months and 6 months old respectively, the older one blamed the younger one for something she knew she wasn't allowed to do (and something that was actually impossible for the younger one to pull off).

A lie, not even 2 years old yet! How? Why?

Kids lie in order not to disappoint their parents. So maybe we do lie because we love, or rather are afraid to lose love, or don't want to hurt those we love.
I remember the shock of realizing the first time my son lied. He's not quite two. I believe his lie was motivated by the desire to not have his diaper changed--something he's finding more and more difficult to endure with each passing day:

"Do you have poopie?"

"No."
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I'm not sure I follow you. Could you elaborate on this?
I meant that some couples are able to be open without repercussions over the long-term (as Irvine pointed out) and others are perfectly happy with only ever having one sexual partner for life.

People certainly have their preferences. But is one better than the other, whether it's more natural or not?

One size does not fit all.

Yet I do believe we are all after the same thing ultimately although it may not have as much to do with sex as we're led to assume and take for granted.
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It's not possible for human beings to be monogamous. We are animals. No matter how beautiful or loving or kind our partner is, there is always somebody else who piques our interest. That's why you see guys married with beautiful women, always cheating. The same goes for women. It is very, very difficult for any human being not to stray. It's our nature to cheat. Almost everybody cheats. The trick is to not get caught.

Personally speaking, I will never be in this predicament because women don't find me remotely attractive. Not one single female. It's a fact.
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It's not possible for human beings to be monogamous.
Um, I think there are plenty of people who would beg to differ, and who indeed would prove you wrong.

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No matter how beautiful or loving or kind our partner is, there is always somebody else who piques our interest.
There is a difference between noticing other women and taking action to be with other women. It is natural to notice and even be attracted to other women if you're in a monogamous relationship. It is also quite possible to be attracted to other women and choose not to act on that attraction.

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That's why you see guys married with beautiful women, always cheating. The same goes for women. It is very, very difficult for any human being not to stray. It's our nature to cheat. Almost everybody cheats. The trick is to not get caught.
This is where I think you're flat out wrong. I don't find it particularly difficult to stay faithful to my fiancée. I imagine I'm not alone in not finding it all that difficult to stay faithful to my partner. Are there plenty of people who cheat? Sure. But I don't think that qualifies as "almost everybody."

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Personally speaking, I will never be in this predicament because women don't find me remotely attractive. Not one single female. It's a fact.
And they never will until you get rid of this attitude.
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Personally speaking, I will never be in this predicament because women don't find me remotely attractive. Not one single female. It's a fact.
You can be the FYM eunich.
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Personally speaking, I will never be in this predicament because women don't find me remotely attractive. Not one single female. It's a fact.
With that kind of an attitude, I can see why.
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I think I just lost the will to live.
Did joerags cheat on you?

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Everybody cheats, Alienvy. It is in our animal nature which we are, naturally, powerless to transcend even for a fleeting instant.
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Everybody cheats, Alienvy. It is in our animal nature which we are, naturally, powerless to transcend even for a fleeting instant.

does this mean that Dieman isn't really a man?
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