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Old 07-16-2016, 07:58 AM   #31
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Military Coup in Turkey

I found myself a little disappointed that the coup failed, and conflicted about the fact that I feel that way. The direction Turkey has gone over the past few years is sad.

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Already conspiracy theories that this is a staged coup by Erdogan himself and he will arise as dictator tomorrow.

Don't believe conspiracy theories of course, but this is something he would do. He's a pretty terrible human being.

Sounds familiar...




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Old 07-16-2016, 08:04 AM   #32
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I found myself a little disappointed that the coup failed, and conflicted about the fact that I feel that way. The direction Turkey has gone over the past few years is sad.
I felt much the same way, even if neither outcome was realistically preferable. It was a lose-lose situation, although I would have taken much satisfaction in seeing Erdogan overthrown.
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Old 07-16-2016, 08:19 AM   #33
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I... thiiink I'm glad the coup failed? Or at least that it seems to not be turning into a protracted struggle. More instability is the last thing that region needs right now.

On the other hand I think the concerns are legitimate about how Erdogan will use this to further consolidate his power and crush political rivals. Watch as people with clearly no part in this get accused of some sort of guilt.

So no, I really don't know entirely what to think yet.
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I found myself a little disappointed that the coup failed, and conflicted about the fact that I feel that way.
This is exactly how I feel as wel.
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:50 AM   #35
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Yeah I'm bummed. I was hoping this was an Egypt repeat.
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Yeah I'm bummed. I was hoping this was an Egypt repeat.
I'm not sure if it's a good example to refer to Egypt. Not sure if the people there have gained so much with the new regimes, that life is so much better there than during Mubarak's regime.
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I'm not sure if it's a good example to refer to Egypt. Not sure if the people there have gained so much with the new regimes, that life is so much better there than during Mubarak's regime.
Thank you. If anything Egypt is a case study on what can go wrong with a coup.

It's sad about Turkey in that it became the epicenter for both migrants and radicals on the run, placed in a series of extremely difficult geo-political situations, and the rest of the world, especially Europe, basically told them to fuck off and handle it on their own.
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Yeah, Egypt's coup didn't work. I thought that was pretty well accepted at this point.
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Old 07-16-2016, 11:13 AM   #39
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I hear you, guys.
I also have that bit of conflicted feelings.
And , yeah, Axver extra instability in that region
would be bad overall.

Hoping it doesn't get too bad for the more secular
or separation of mosque and state as it were, proponents.
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I get how it might be a close call, but the net net is this bastard really is bad. A coup would have been okay they've had a number of coups and have remained within NATO and the country has been stable. This would not have turned into Iraq or Syria
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Yeah, Egypt's coup didn't work. I thought that was pretty well accepted at this point.

What're you talking about? Civility has been restored in Egypt. The erasure of secularism was brought to a halt. The Muslim brotherhood was banned again in Egypt. The military seized control and everything is back to the way it was. You don't understand Egypt if you think that military coup has had a negative outcome.
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I'm not sure if it's a good example to refer to Egypt. Not sure if the people there have gained so much with the new regimes, that life is so much better there than during Mubarak's regime.

I'm not referring to Mubarak. I'm referring to the Muslim brotherhood and Mohamed Morsi -- which was the only military coup in Egypt during all of their civil unrest.

The example is a perfect example. In Egypt, the military has always had the final say. They are the "protectors of secularism" so to say. The "dictators" of Egypt such as Nasser and Sadat protected secularism, protected minorities, kept Islamists at bay, enforced peace, and otherwise we're just nationalists engaged in politics across the world. They were supported by the military.

The issue is that at times, especially right now, Islamism is a clear majority. That area of the world is notorious for bribery, rigging, and fixed elections. Democracy, there, is highly undemocratic. And even so, what it elects is not a free world. What it elects destroys democracy by oppression, intimidation, and reform. It brings back the same dictatorships installed by the militaries, in opposition.

Why do you think when the Muslim brotherhood was re-exiled from Egypt, Turkey gave its members safe haven? Because Erdogan and his party promote those values. Erdogan and the Turkish government won't recognize El Sisi in Egypt as its leader still to this point, and demand Morsi is released from prison.

Anyways. Turkey's military is the "protector of secularism" much like in Egypt. This coup is damn near the exact same thing as removing Morsi from power. Secularism is the law of the land in Turkey, and the military is tasked with defending secularism. Erdogan historically has been part of several political parities that have been outlawed on that note, only to resurface under a new name. He is known to have ties to questionable radical clerics. He is an Islamist in all things but official namesake, and the military taking action in Turkey is nearly the exact same thing as it was in Egypt when Morsi was deposed.
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Did you enjoy 2002?
I certainly did, too bad it failed though. I wish there were another one to get the fucking clown out of power, it's time already.
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I certainly did, too bad it failed though. I wish there were another one to get the fucking clown out of power, it's time already.
Didn't expect anything better from you, given your other posts on this board.
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Suspicions arise Erdogan had prepared the arrest lists in advance. 6 000 or so arrested, 200+ judges fired, talks of re-instating death penalty in Turkey again.
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