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Old 05-01-2009, 04:15 PM   #106
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so i'm reading diamonds post and i'm thinking about how this morning i was coughing a bit and i remembered being hoarse yesterday and i sneezed earlier
Well, I think if one starts getting hoarse, with body aches, chills etc-then get nervous.

Just because you ride the subway and come home cough once and sneeze twice shouldn't have you jumping to conclusions.

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Old 05-01-2009, 04:25 PM   #107
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so two people got mildly ill and now they are better. is there much more to all this than this?
Hopefully not. But the scientists/doctors over at Effect Measure caution us not to dismiss it. It could continue to mutate and come back strong during the winter. For now it seems pretty mild. What's going on in Mexico is still mysterious, however.

A friend of mine was literally the first to be tested here. Still waiting for results.
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Old 05-01-2009, 04:36 PM   #108
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Just read Diamond's post... it's hard to know what to believe. Mexican friends here who are in touch with people in Mexico also say it's way worse than is being reported but I'm cautious with anecdotal information (although not so cautious that I wouldn't mention it in passing in an online forum, lol).

I just want to echo that N-Acetyl-Cysteine is an amazing supplement. I use it all the time with great results and had forgotten to mention it.

I have also used Oscillococinum successfully for many years to knock out the flu fast but I didn't know about its effectiveness with this flu. Homeopathics worked exceedingly well in 1918 according to physician diaries.

Thanks big D.
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Old 05-01-2009, 04:41 PM   #109
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What's going on in Mexico is still mysterious, however.


yeah, that seems to be the wrinkle in this.

i just disinfected my desk.

if nothing else, it gave me the motivation to do something i'd been meaning to do.
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Hopefully not. But the scientists/doctors over at Effect Measure caution us not to dismiss it. It could continue to mutate and come back strong during the winter. For now it seems pretty mild. What's going on in Mexico is still mysterious, however.
This current outbreak could turn out to be a blessing in disguise. I was reading that they're currently working on a vaccine that should be ready within 4 to 6 months, so, in time for any possible reemergence during the winter flu season.

The advice to avoid sick people makes me laugh. Given that probably 75% of our population is walking around sniffling, sneezing and coughing due to seasonal allergies at the moment, you'd pretty much have to cloister yourself to avoid it. My daughter came home from school for the summer this past Monday. Monday night she said her throat was sore. Now she has a full-blown cold. Should I pitch a tent for her in the backyard till she's better? The girl she caught it from was hoarse for a day. Any throat irritant, including post-nasal drip from allergies can cause hoarseness. I've had some very mild allergy/sinus thing going on this week. Who knows, maybe we do have it, and we're recovering and building up immunity right now.

Not that I'm dismissing any of it, I do see the potential for seriousness, I just don't think we've gotten there yet.

I'm also curious as to why things seem so much worse in Mexico. I wonder if it's because the infection numbers are much, much higher than being reported, and as such, the death rates in Mexico are more proportional to a normal flu outbreak. Mutation doesn't really make sense, because many of the US cases and almost all of the reported cases in Canada have been from travellers to Mexico, and they seem to be recovering with little or no intervention. Maybe the genetic thing that someone mentioned earlier in the thread?
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I just read there's an unconfirmed case in my home county, and the schools in one district have been closed until further notice.
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All I can think of with regard to this is a want to read Stephen King's The Stand again.
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All I can think of with regard to this is a want to read Stephen King's The Stand again.

That book is longer than this outbreak.
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All I can think of with regard to this is a want to read Stephen King's The Stand again.
Or watch Twelve Monkeys.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:33 AM   #115
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That book is longer than this outbreak.
Diamond, did you notice a conservative has the same avatar that I once had, the one that apparently offended you enough that you complained to the mods? Let's see how consistent Diamond will be...

BTW great avatar Hyper
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Diamond, did you notice a conservative has the same avatar that I once had, the one that apparently offended you enough that you complained to the mods? Let's see how consistent Diamond will be...

BTW great avatar Hyper

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hmm I'm not so sure abound Diamond's info, for a start the stats are all up in thin air...there just isn't enough info yet to come up with infection rates and all that. So far this has been no worse than seasonal flu, and in fact Mexico has just lowered it's expected death toll 101. A lot of what is flying about out there is pure hype...it's true you have to be a bad bugger of a virus to infect animals and then humans but we still just don't know enough yet and my microbiology lecturer is working on this as we speak.
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So that's how it happens!!! The textbooks so didn't explain it well....





I haven't caught up an all the posts, but I just wanted to say with regards to the mysteriousness of the higher death rate in mexico, we should take note of what portion of the population this has been occurring in.
If it is occurring in the poor, then it's not just the flu their bodies have to deal with, putting them at a significant disadvantage.

And I think some of you are mentioning, the monitoring and data are still shaky. Deaths are noticeable, a few people with a cough are not. Until you can confirm how many people have been mildly infected, it's pretty hard to come up with any sort of determination of its virility. Seeing as how, from what Ive heard the flu in US citizens is a genetic match to those infected in mexico, I would suggest that the mildness of cases we've seen may be far more representative, and the deaths in Mexico just suggest it is very widespread.
As I think VP mentioned tho, this does not discount the ability of the virus to mutate into something far more serious. Flu has a high recombination and mutation rate thanks to its segmented genome, but it seems we've caught it early. As long as they stay on it, I'm not overly concerned.

I wouldn't chatting with some of the profs I know, one of them works on flu, one of them was involved with SARS as well....
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The media hype seems to have died down-on to the next thing. I have heard that there are schools closing for a week even though there are no confirmed cases. What about every other illness that can be passed on in schools?

There's a dairy farm down the street from me that has two new pigs every year, I was there over the weekend and I admit that I thought about it-but it didn't make me stay away from the pigs (they're behind fencing anyway). You are much more likely to be bitten by one than to get swine flu from one. This woman's little dog was face to face with a pig-and even though I know you can't get it from pigs I still didn't think that was the best idea. If I still had my dog I wouldn't have let her get near them-just out of an abundance of caution (and for the other germs they may have and the biting).. There were people letting their kids look at them, so at least there weren't panicky parents there. I doubt they would let them touch them though, you can touch the goats and the sheep and the cows there.
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