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Old 02-11-2011, 06:41 PM   #46
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I am not speaking for Muslims here,
but it is my understanding of Islam, that unlike Christianity,
the Islamic faith does not separate religion from the state.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:54 PM   #47
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I am not speaking for Muslims here,
but it is my understanding of Islam, that unlike Christianity,
the Islamic faith does not separate religion from the state.
Take a look around, neither do many Christians...
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Old 02-11-2011, 07:27 PM   #49
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I am not speaking for Muslims here,
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the Islamic faith does not separate religion from the state.
It's not a feature inherent of Christianity to separate the both. Medieval Europe, you may recall, was the exact opposite. It came out of the Enlightenment movement in Europe and the founding of the United States that secularism gained a firm footing in the development of the nation states.

Both Sarkozy and Cameron are of course not entirely wrong. There needs to be something done with regards to integration and combining our cultural identities. But introducing their statements with "Multiculturalism is a failure, but..." stinks a bit of the old "I'm not a [insert anything here], but...".
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It's not a feature inherent of Christianity to separate the both. Medieval Europe, you may recall, was the exact opposite. It came out of the Enlightenment movement in Europe and the founding of the United States that secularism gained a firm footing in the development of the nation state.


I am aware of the abuses of some in the past (and the present) in power claiming to represent the Christian faith.

In my view they do not present the true teaching's of Jesus.

How did he respond with they tossed him a coin of Caesar's?
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Same could be said about Islam, couldn't it?

According to Wikipedia, secularism and Islam are as possible as secularism and Christianity: Islam and secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Same could be said about Islam, couldn't it?

According to Wikipedia, secularism and Islam are as possible as secularism and Christianity: Islam and secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I disagree.

I know, mistakes have been made. Jesus warned of false teachers and doctrines.


Please post one current Christian influenced state that prohibits women from voting or has other restrictions on the rights of women.
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Please post one current Christian influenced state that prohibits women from voting or has other restrictions on the rights of women.
First off, women were prohibited from voting or having rights in many Christian influenced countries until the early 20th century.

Secondly, any country that allows women to vote and have rights are secular and have been influenced by secular ideology, not religion.

Also, the Bible doesn't give much freedom to women. What do you have to say about what the Old Testament says about women marrying their rapists? Or what St. Paul said about women being obedient to their husbands?
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First off, women were prohibited from voting in many Christian influenced countries until the early 20th century.

Secondly, any country that allows women to vote are secular and have been influenced by secular ideology, not religion.


Was my original comment about Christianity?

You are avoiding facing the subject. I think
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Bull. You said the following:

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Please post one current Christian influenced state that prohibits women from voting or has other restrictions on the rights of women.

I don't know why I bother responding to a troll like you. Right now, you're avoiding what I said because you know I've made a point or are right about something. You know you've been proven wrong and you can't deal with it, so that is why you're acting all innocent.

I am going to ignore you for now on. Your games are not worth it.
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I disagree.

I know, mistakes have been made. Jesus warned of false teachers and doctrines.


Please post one current Christian influenced state that prohibits women from voting or has other restrictions on the rights of women.
You're confusing something. It's secular societies, not christian societies.
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Please post one current Christian influenced state that prohibits women from voting or has other restrictions on the rights of women.
This happened yesterday.

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It's not a feature inherent of Christianity to separate the both.
Actually it is a feature inherent to Christianity, as it was practiced at the time of Jesus. Early Christians (if we can even call them that) were absolutely certain that the kingdom of God was at hand and that Christ would return like a "thief in the night." It is one of the main reasons that they did not join the Jewish revolt against the Romans and one of the main reasons for why they were pretty compliant with paying taxes to Caesar. The thinking was that you had to prepare your hearts for the arrival of the kingdom and that the external world was fleeting and temporary. There was no need to have Christianity permeate the social fabric at all nor was it a goal at the time.

Interesting that iron horse brings it up because he clearly ascribes to a brand of Christianity that has perverted its origins and that, in fact, insists that Christianity become part of the socio-political sphere. Otherwise he would not oppose secular gay marriage while quoting the Bible.
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Thank God those Republicans are passing legislation to increase JOBS like they promised.
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Thank God those Republicans are passing legislation to increase JOBS like they promised.
Yeah, whatever happened to that?

I sure hope the Republicans won't then turn around and begin bitching about women having to go on welfare or struggle while they try and look for those jobs they were promised, so that they can take care of these kids they may not be fully equipped to take care of right now.

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