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Old 01-17-2008, 07:12 PM   #31
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I don't know much about it

or care much about it

that site
is an "anti" site.

there are anti-Catholic sites
and they have had some "lawsuits" and tacits, too.

I could say the same for most any Religion/ belief system

point is, people have to choose to "opt in".
That site is simply a compendium of various pieces of information, some of the author's own findings, some from mainstream media.

People "opt in" based on lies and deceptions, very similar to the way they "opt in" to other cults. Is this still okay?
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:13 PM   #32
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I don't need to look it up, i'm a Jain and i've learned about this since I was a kid.
This is totally OT, but I find that very interesting. In some ways I find your ultra-libertarian views to be counter-intuitive now knowing that you are a Jain. Seems like any I've ever met were distinctly on the socialist and social justice end of the spectrum. So that's given me something to think about.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:19 PM   #33
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I don't need to look it up, i'm a Jain and i've learned about this since I was a kid. I know the story of Ganesh. I know the story of Ramayan. So yes, I do know very much about it.
I stand delightfully corrected.
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So should we call it a crazy cult because of this? I'm just trying to say that all religions have beliefs and stories that seem abnormal.
I didn't call it crazy. I called it a UFO cult. Tom Cruise is as crazy as they come, but not just because he's a Scientologist.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:26 PM   #34
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This is totally OT, but I find that very interesting. In some ways I find your ultra-libertarian views to be counter-intuitive now knowing that you are a Jain. Seems like any I've ever met were distinctly on the socialist and social justice end of the spectrum. So that's given me something to think about.
I was born Jain but I don't really practice it. I believe in the core principles such as not harming animals and being a vegetarian. But Jainism does have a libertarian aspect to it, sort of. It is about freeing yourself from the world and dedicating your life to meditation and prayer. It is more about leading others through example and showing others the way to ultimate peace and happiness. What the Jain god Mahavir did was give away all his possessions and then go into solidarity and then ultimately had followers and disciples. I think Jainism is more about preaching and leading more than just socialism, caring for the poor, sick, etc.
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Is Time magazine an "Anti-" magazine?

http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html

Let's not confuse mainstream religions with cults, which are coercive in nature, abusive in practice, controlling in the extreme, and mentally, emotionally, and spiritually crippling.
Thanks, Nathan, I should have posted that in the first place, rather than a link for the whole site.

For those of you who don't understand why it's a cult, take time to read this, it pretty much explains everything.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:53 PM   #36
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Let's not confuse mainstream religions with cults, which are coercive in nature, abusive in practice, controlling in the extreme, and mentally, emotionally, and spiritually crippling.


some people feel this way about the Southern Baptist Church, especially those who've been to "ex-gay" camps.
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Let's not confuse mainstream religions with cults, which are coercive in nature, abusive in practice, controlling in the extreme, and mentally, emotionally, and spiritually crippling.
This would be a great definition of a cult. Secretive is another word I'd throw in there.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:59 PM   #38
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some people feel this way about the Southern Baptist Church, especially those who've been to "ex-gay" camps.
Quite true. Ironically, nobody ever really belongs to a cult; it's only labeled a cult by outside detractors who would never join or are no longer a part of it anyway.
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Ironically, nobody ever really belongs to a cult; it's only labeled a cult by outside detractors who would never join or are no longer a part of it anyway.
That doesn't mean it's not a cult.
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Here is a GREAT article Rolling Stone did on Scientology a year or so ago.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...de_scientology
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i think many of the questions in here have less to do with the defense of Sociology, and more to do with the relative arbitrariness of what is and what is not a cult. i'm sure in the 1st century Christianity was considered a cult. it is now not a cult, though we could argue that certain denominations, certain beliefs, certain practices, surely have cultish behaviors.

i think what things like Scientology do is call into question all of our assumptions about religions, and it's interesting to see those who self-define by their religions getting both nervous and a bit nasty.

i think Scientology is kind of bonkers. but so is Southern Baptism. one might rely on a more coherent, tradition-based theology, but in practice, i fail to see how Scientology's coercive techniques are any worse than the psychic abuse very credible churches inflict on some of their most vulnerable members.

heck, we have a presidential candidate who sounds every bit as crazy as Tom Cruise when he talks about the godly subservience of women or how allowing two men to get married is the same thing as allowing a man to marry a dog.
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I don't think we are any where close to having a candidate say the constitution should be changed to conform with an aspect of Scientology


when has a Scientologist ever done more than put their wares on view in a storefront (figuratively speaking)
to give a "consumer" an option to buy in?
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when has a Scientologist ever done more than put their wares on view in a storefront (figuratively speaking)
to give a "consumer" an option to buy in?
http://www.xenu.net/archive/media/time910605.html

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Harriet Baker learned the hard way about Scientology's business of selling religion. When Baker, 73, lost her husband to cancer, a Scientologist turned up at her Los Angeles home peddling a $1,300 auditing package to cure her grief. Some $15,000 later, the Scientologists discovered that her house was debt free. They arranged a $45,000 mortgage, which they pressured her to tap for more auditing until Baker's children helped their mother snap out of her daze. Last June, Baker demanded a $27,000 refund for unused services, prompting two cult members to show up at her door unannounced with an E-meter to interrogate her. Baker never got the money and, financially strapped, was forced to sell her house in September.
Really, read the articles posted.
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Really, read the articles posted.


do the articles talk about Scientologist teenagers who kill themselves because they're taught that Xenu hates who they are?
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actually, South Park did a pretty good job describing the basic beliefs of Scientology.

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