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Old 05-17-2006, 05:57 PM   #121
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So this is all about if Jesus
took Mary Magdalen to be his wife?


I have been told "The Passion" movie is what I should look to for a realistic depiction of those times and people, the Aramic language and production values, etc.


So this is what she looked like





Why would he want to deny himself the blessings of holy matrimony?
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Old 05-17-2006, 06:23 PM   #122
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oh, and the movie will probably not live up to the (over)hype, but I still am looking forward to seeing it - for entertainment purposes. I'm not religious at all

oh, and finished re-reading the book yesterday...
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Old 05-17-2006, 06:38 PM   #123
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Finished reading it lastnight and am going to see it Friday
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Old 05-17-2006, 06:40 PM   #124
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wanna go together You are only a few thousand miles away, right?
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Old 05-17-2006, 08:04 PM   #125
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Hey Deep, if Our Lord really had a wife, He wouldn't go for the typical servant girl. That would be like hooking up with the Rohan village mother with the 2 little kids, as opposed to Arwen....LMAO! (j/k)

Geez, at least some people can JOKE about it!

Maybe I should apologize for the long posts? I don't have a lot of time online so when I do post, I like to write essays . Then again, I AM half-Irish....

A couple more reviews up. One at the the NY Post site and one at aint-it-cool-news.com. The Post one is an out and out rave. ?!?!?! The aint-it-cool one comes from a Brit who was at Cannes and DOESN'T do a hatchet job. His review is similar to Tom Friedman's: a good, solid entertainment with some flashes of almost-brilliance, gorgeous cinematography, and a really great score. With some major acting and script flaws. They think it will do very well. I'm noticing a pattern here: those who have an obvious political agenda do very little in the way of discussing specific scenes or lines. Those who give honest reviews like the film a whole lot and say it'll be a big success, it has all the ingredients, are supportive but not enthusiastic, citing quirks in specific scenes, which they describe in detail. The aint-it-cpol-reviewer goes into the most detail. Beware of spoilers! He cites some shocking book omissions/changes....I won't give one away but all I can say is: (for those of you who have read it): GOOGLE!?!?!?

BTW..the conspiracy theorist in me says that the universal acclaim for McKellan in thia film comes perhaps not just b/c of the film's strongest performance but knee-jerk respect for Gandalf, Magneto and the Boomer Demographic that might in the future be alienated by the "diminsihing star" of a man who is a big box-office draw for the those target groups. Once a nominee, always a nominee...

PS. Rolling Stone review is up. Again, the comon complaint of the average Panner: too much TALKING, too little ACTION. He says, "A lot of the film is Teabing saying some blabfest about the Grail and Sophie saying, 'I don't follow." Well, what the heck was the book all about? By the time you were even halfway through it you cared little about where they were going next and more aobut the next revelation, which streched several pages long. There was no way to cut chunks out of that and trim it down for a film....it HAS to be included. It seems to me that these critics are the exact opposite of the public: they like the book for being a fast-paced entertainment; the public likes it for its ideas. Geez, these panners are starting to sound hysterical...hysterical to keep the public fat, stupid and stuffing the latest mind-numbing trash in their brains. It rpboably DOES drag on, and fans will expect all the long college lectures.

Geez, after reading this crap, I'm hoping the film WILL be a blockbuster, and prove them wrong. One plus: with no reviews, either in print or online, until the day before the film (and in some cases, the day of, and with great advance ticket sales, if the film IS good, there won't be any way to stop word-of-mouth countering critical attack. Usually the reviews come in a week ahead of time these days and the public has had time to lower expectations or say, "I'll wait for the DVD." Not this time. People will be calling their friends and asking, "was it really as bad as they say?" That remains to be seen. As someone who has read the book several times, I suppose my review may count?
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Old 05-17-2006, 09:33 PM   #126
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Key word there being "overloads" and "there have been reports". There are common foods that contain more aspartame than the supposedly dangerous foods.
But the things is the public have not been told about this. The labels for saccharine in America during the 80's warned Americans about the risk of consuming too much saccharine, this label was removed when it was found out that you had to consume a lot for prolonged periods in order for it to be toxic. Westerners consume much more aspartame than saccharine because it's in so many foods.

There is no evidence that it actually helps you to lose wieght either. Aspartame is an artificial sweetener that the body cannot recognise as real food. When you consume regular Coke with sugar the body gets full due to the carbohydrates. Consuming Diet Coke makes the body crave real food in the form of carbohydrates. How comes obesity is at it's record levels in America and the UK? Ordering a Diet Coke, with large fries and a BigMac does not help you to lose weight.

Janet Starr Hill explains her illness that nearly killed her caused by aspartmame in her diet.
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Old 05-18-2006, 12:13 AM   #127
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I don't know anything about it because I don't drink diet pop, but I've read several posts of anitram's and she knows a great deal about it, since she works in medical research or something like that. I'm more inclined to believe someone that works in the field and has reviewed the research and experiments than a few conspiracy theories.
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Old 05-18-2006, 12:23 AM   #128
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The problem is the phenylalanine in aspartame which has been shown to have a correlation to brain tumors in rats. However, the levels they administered to the rats is what killed them - it is not humanly possible to consume that much phenylalanine.

Two eggs have more of it than a can of Diet Coke. Fruit juice has more than a can of Diet Coke.

The aspartame=cancer is one of the greatest inaccuracies in current medical myth. And the problem is that the general populace is unable to read primary scientific journals because they can't understand them. That is not a slight, in the same way that the general public can't make sense of legal jargon, they just lack the vocabulary and background information to sort through experimental data and to recognize when a study is good and when it is bad.

So that you have people who know absolutely nothing about the science of it essentially repeating the same thing they've heard on TV ad nauseum and it becomes imprinted.

More and more diet drinks and products are moving to sucralose anyway, because it tastes more like sugar. Sucralose is basically sucrose in a 3D form that the body doesn't recognize so that you are excreting it in urine rather than absorbing it. We will see how long it will take before there's a study out there that will claim this too will kill us.
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Old 05-18-2006, 01:50 AM   #129
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I'm noticing a pattern here: those who have an obvious political agenda do very little in the way of discussing specific scenes or lines. Those who give honest reviews like the film a whole lot and say it'll be a big success, it has all the ingredients, are supportive but not enthusiastic, citing quirks in specific scenes, which they describe in detail.
Doesn't everyone have an agenda to a certain extent? A certain worldview that they want to advance? I find I distrust most those who claim to have no agenda at all. Like say Fox News with their "fair and balanced" tagline.

Having said that, am I correct in understanding that you're suggesting that most movie critics are collaborating with the religio-political Right Wing to destroy this film? Because I'm not seeing that at all.
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Fan Xi, a 28-year-old Chinese lady who had read the book and watched the movie at the premiere, said, "The movie is not bad, but not as good as the book."
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that's what I'm expecting ...
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The problem is the phenylalanine in aspartame which has been shown to have a correlation to brain tumors in rats. However, the levels they administered to the rats is what killed them - it is not humanly possible to consume that much phenylalanine.
It should also be noted that phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, so you're getting it somewhere. Otherwise, you're dead.

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I have not read the book, but I do not know what the big fuss is all about. My views on Christianity and Religon has changed. I had an argument with my aunt yesterday. She wanted me to go to her church, where they would discuss the evils of The Da Vinci Code.

I told her flat out I am not going to your church. I told her non of us were around when Jesus was alive, so how do we know that Jesus did not marry, Mary Magdaline? Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the bible, written well after the disciples were dead? If so then they received all the info from scriptures that were found.

Now mabey there is a scripture out there (kind of like the now found Judas passage) that Jesus did marry and have a kid, we will never know, until we die and if you believe in the afterlife.
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Old 05-18-2006, 06:40 PM   #134
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Hey Justin...is tour aunt Catholic? Has she read the book? Does she belong to one of the happy bunch who are content to let a celibate man sitting 6000 miles away tel them what to read, hear, watch and think? I don't agree with the specifics of the book, (and I know the bok forward and back), but "evil" is a pretty strong word. "Wrong" may be appropriate, but "evil"? Wow. "Fear" is more like it...

Sorry if I offend any Catholics. I'm just remembering the time when I was a teen and people from my Shalom-like group (the ones who baptized me), incuding several self=professed U2 fans who called the band "Christian", stood outside a local theater burning Martin Scorcese posters...Last Tempation mania. If they had read the book and were outraged, fine. But by his own admission, the group leader had never read the book, and wouldn't even when I offered him a copy. Right then and there I resolved never to let a priest or friend or media figure or even parent think for me. I'd make up my own mind, thank you. Having ajob in the collge library, I just happened to have found it in the stacks and picked it up. Kazantsakis was in a "Wake Up Dead Man" mode at the time he wrote that book, and it is so beautifully written it is almost Tolkienian. I did not agree with his rendition of Christ having a vision on the cross of the life He coud have had had He rejected His Ministry (if you had read the book you would have known that the whole thing is a thought in Jesus's mind, not a literal truth!) However much I was shocked, I could not help but be moved to tears at the personal testimony of a man struggling to regain his faith. It is only blasphemy is not undertaken in that spirit. Brown wrote his little bit of "um, prose" (A. O. Scott, your NY Times review is priceless) in anger, not humilaty, and it has the literary pedigree of a comic book, but it;s the questions that count.

After all the critical brouhaha, I've decided to see it twice this weekend. I prob won't be online until Sunday. Which means my little review will be up after most people's on here. As someone who knows the book back and forth, I'll be brutally honest in my review...if there are flaws, I'll post spoilers in detail. I'll spare nothing. But that won't stop me from praising the film and urging people to see it. Becuase this film's success or failure will be about more than money..ther'es so much at stake. It;s about possibly making and marketing a new kind of film in Hollywood these days: one which makes you think....the Passion led ot Narnia, and F/911 led to March of the Pernguins. More religious films, more documentaries. This could be the best thing to happen to cinema in a while....

My attitude will be: "You who have not sinned, cast the first stone." Which means: how many bland, safe, mediocre, utterly forgettable peices of crap have these ctiics wriiten nice little reviews up about over the past few months, how much cinematic junk and waste of Hollywood's money have these bpttom feeders bolstered and legitimized, that should neve rhave been given the green light in the first place?? Whatever his artistic merits (and with Howard I was not expecting another Fellowship of the Ring) I admire him for even taking on this hotbed of controversy in the first place. I admir ehi for trying, and taking risks....

One last thing: In most reviews Hans Zimmer's score has been noted. as "overbearing", "too much", etc. That's a good sign. Which means it's an epic score. Can a movie possibly be bad that has a great musical score?
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My aunt was Catholic, but now goes to a Christian ( I'm guessing baptist) churches. We even argued if Animals had souls. I believe they do, she doesn't.
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