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Old 05-14-2006, 07:05 PM   #91
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Not quite sure what you mean there Liv
Dan Brown's "woman" in the Last Supper painting, it's one of the Disciples (John I think). There's no WAY DaVinci would've omitted one of the Disciples from the painting in order to include Mary Magdalene. Think of how popular Brown's book is now, how (supposedly) controversial it is....back then, the Church would've literally had DaVinci's head if he'd painted what Brown thinks he did. That's my opinion based on my knowledge of church history. I also asked my housemate about it, because I've never studied art and she's getting a masters in fine arts/art history to become an art museum curator. She said that this painting has not been very well preserved, so first it's important to note that the way it looks today is different from how it looked when it was painted. Look at everyone else in the painting. If John is supposedly a woman, then so are half of the other Disciples and Jesus. They look just as feminine as Brown's Mary Magdalene. Also, she explained to me a bit about DaVinci himself. He was obsessed with beautiful males, so it makes no sense that a man fixated on men's bodies would risk his life to paint a woman into a painting of an event where thirteen men were present.

We had a long discussion regarding the book, her giving her opinions based on studying art history and me giving mine based on studying theology, and we both agreed that Brown really spoils the novel by making such absurd assumptions about one of the most famous pieces of art in history.
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Good post, Liv.
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Young men often look feminine in Da Vinci's (and other artists' paintings).

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Old 05-15-2006, 07:27 PM   #94
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My mum is going to the premier in London on Monday.

BTW, there was a documentary about the secret societies mentioned in the Code tonight (Freemasons, Knights Templer, Soviegn Military of Malta, Priory de Scion as well as the Bilderberg).


The reporter concluded that none of them are sinister (the ones that actually existed that is). In the end he sought to find out what it is that makes people want to believe in conspiracy theories and intrigue, and the reason is because it is far more exciting, simple as.
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Old 05-15-2006, 08:09 PM   #95
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first of all:

I have never read the davinci code, but I did read angels and demons and I will say Dan Browns writing is pretty flawed because a lot of the characters actions don't make any sense once you get to the end of the book

lastly, my biology teacher told my class that of the "codes" that Da Vinci wrote around 95 of them led to the final result of the word "penis"
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I've never really bought into most conspiracy theories. Everything I've seen about human nature tells me that people are too clumsy, flawed, and emotional to pull off the kind of "vast, overarching conspiracy" that movie makers and pulp novelists promote. These conspiracies need serious discipline, loyalty and focus from far too many people to be even remotely plausible.

Once in high school me and four buddies created an alternative identity called The Joker that played pranks on people. We created a bit of a mystique for a short while, but right after graduation we revealed our identities on the spur of the moment. We couldn't keep it quiet. I think it's that way with most conspiracies. People can't keep it quiet.

There was this article on Slate. com that pointed out based on some kind of mathematics, that if Jesus had had children, by now virtually every living person in the world would be one of his descendants. So much for the Merovingians having Him all to themselves.

The Bible actually never said Mary Magadelene was a prostitute. I think that was an idea that Christians just kind of adopted over time. I read an excellent novel on the life of Mary Magadelene, "Mary Called Magdalene." Can't remember the author, but quite good.
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There was this article on Slate. com that pointed out based on some kind of mathematics, that if Jesus had had children, by now virtually every living person in the world would be one of his descendants. So much for the Merovingians having Him all to themselves.

Fuzzy math...
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Fuzzy math...
Yeah, I know, that's what I thought too. I was like, "no way--how is that possible." But it sounded pretty convincing. . . course I'm not a math whiz (you might recall my "word problem" thread).

I'll have to find the link and post it. I'm just so damn lazy right now.
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I've never really bought into most conspiracy theories. Everything I've seen about human nature tells me that people are too clumsy, flawed, and emotional to pull off the kind of "vast, overarching conspiracy" that movie makers and pulp novelists promote. These conspiracies need serious discipline, loyalty and focus from far too many people to be even remotely plausible.
I agree. I do not beleive all the controversy that surrounds the death of Princess Diana, the JFK assassination, 9/11 or the moon landings. However, there have been some conspiracies that have turned out to be true (ie: Watergate, cigerettes impact on health) or at least partially true (ie: aspartame toxity, the involvement of Nixon and Henry Kissenger in the overthrow of Allende in Chile).

I think it's nieve of people to believe that someone is
always innocent and any bad things that occur is by circumstance or coincidence. I have had to do a report on the involvement of Western corporations in third world countries and what impact this has on the global economy for my International Marketing module at uni, and I did come accross some of the history of the US government envolvement. My view is that Nixon was a very shaddy character who tried his upmost to prevent left-wing governments comming to power in Latin American countries because of America's business interests.
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There's a special on the History Channel tonight about Opus Dei

I don't get this, that book wouldn't change what I believe/don't believe one iota or make me believe that about Opus Dei. I would like to see the poll, maybe they slanted it somehow to reinforce their beliefs about the "dangerousness" of the book and movie.

LONDON (Reuters) - "The Da Vinci Code" has undermined faith in the Roman Catholic Church and badly damaged its credibility, a survey of British readers of Dan Brown's bestseller showed on Tuesday.

People are now twice as likely to believe Jesus Christ fathered children after reading the Dan Brown blockbuster and four times as likely to think the conservative Catholic group Opus Dei is a murderous sect.

"An alarming number of people take its spurious claims very seriously indeed," said Austin Ivereigh, press secretary to Britain's top Catholic prelate Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor.

"Our poll shows that for many, many people the Da Vinci Code is not just entertainment," Ivereigh added.

He heads a prominent group of English Roman Catholic monks, theologians, nuns and members of Opus Dei, who commissioned the survey from leading pollster Opinion Research Business (ORB) and have sought to promote Catholic beliefs at a time when the film's release has provoked a storm of controversy.

ORB interviewed more than 1,000 adults last weekend, finding that 60 percent believed Jesus had children by Mary Magdalene -- a possibility raised by the book -- compared with just 30 percent of those who had not read the book.

The English group demanded that the "Da Vinci Code" movie, being given its world premiere at the Cannes Film festival on Wednesday, should carry a "health warning".

The group, which stopped short of following the Vatican line of calling on Catholics to boycott the film, accused Brown of dishonest marketing based on peddling fiction as fact.

The novel, which has sold over 40 million copies, also depicts Opus Dei as a ruthless Machiavellian organization whose members resort to murder to keep the Church's secrets.

The survey underlined the astonishing popularity of Brown's novel -- it has been read by more than one in five adults of all ages in Britain.

Ivereigh complained that Brown and film studio Sony Pictures "have encouraged people to take it seriously while hiding behind the claim that it is fiction.

"Our poll shows they should take responsibility for their dishonesty and issue a health warning."

In the survey, readers were asked if Opus Dei had ever carried out a murder. Seventeen percent of readers believe it had, compared with just four percent of non-readers.

Opus Dei spokesman Jack Valero said he was astonished.

"Since we were founded in 1928, Opus Dei has promoted the highest moral standards at work, spreading a message of Christian love and understanding," he said.

"Yet the Da Vinci Code has persuaded hundreds of thousands of people that we have blood on our hands."
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or at least partially true (ie: aspartame toxity,
That one's not even partially true.
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There have been reports of people who have had very serious reactions to the sweetener. Read Sweet Poison by Janet Starr Hill, I think she also has her own website. This women is now conspiracy crackpot, she is a proffeser at a top university in America. She knows a lot about the damage caused by overloads of man-made additives can do.

Even our local bakery no longer bakes diabetic cakes with aspartame in it anymore. The lady who runs it has been given information about it's risks to health. They are trying to ban it here in the UK.
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Key word there being "overloads" and "there have been reports". There are common foods that contain more aspartame than the supposedly dangerous foods.
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'The Da Vinci Code' Fiction Fizzles at Cannes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060516/...a_vinci_code_2
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First Review of 'The Da Vinci Code'

Tuesday , May 16, 2006

By Roger Friedman

FOXNEWS


'The Da Vinci Code'



The 2006 Cannes Film Festival started unofficially tonight with a wildly anticipated screening for the press of Ron Howard's "The Da Vinci Code." After all the buzz, the hype, the controversy, Cannes was ready to make news tonight. I think even the lovely head of the press office, Christine Aimé, was happy to see this one finally pass through her area.

Howard's adaptation of Dan Brown's absurdly realized thriller is going strong, it works on the level of "Apollo 13," "A Beautiful Mind" and the best of his beautifully realized films.

When "The Da Vinci Code" takes a brief wrong turn, though, and Howard momentarily loses control of his huge, streamlined vehicle, it's hard to say where to put the blame. I vote for screenwriter Avika Goldsman.

But right now you want to know is: Is "The Da Vinci Code" a good movie? The answer overall is yes.

For most of its overlong two and a half hours, the film is enticing. And surprising in that it's not Tom Hanks — solid as usual — or French film star Audrey Tautou who make the movie tick. It's Sir Ian McKellen, who appears about a quarter to half way through the proceedings and very sublimely scores himself an Academy Award nomination.

Hanks and Tautou, on the other hand, have thankless jobs. They have to propel Dan Brown's bizarre story forward without getting in the way. They do that just fine, but often come off more as Mulder and Scully in "The X Files" than as passionately charged leads. Some may argue with their choices, but I think it was the only way out when the material — a huge best-selling novel with gigantic expectations from its audience — outweighs the actor's opportunity to shine. To say they each emerge unscathed is a compliment — believe me.

You probably know the basic story of "The Da Vinci Code." I never did read the book, maybe on purpose because I wanted to judge it as a film only. It's a thriller, the key element being the search for the Holy Grail.

In this case, the grail is supposed to be the last living descendent of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. The clues to all this are found in the Louvre Museum, filed under "Da Vinci." Maybe if Dan Brown had filed them under Leonardo he would have had an easier time figuring the whole thing out. Leonardo was his name and Da Vinci was his address.

Anyway, there are complications as Hanks plays a Harvard expert on symbology. But he is realty a modern, younger, long-haired hip American version of Jacques Derrida let out on long leash. He is really a semiotics expert looking for a spot on Oprah, sort of Indiana Jones trying to find meaning where there isn't any.

Tautou is the granddaughter of a man who holds the key to the code, but doesn't get to impart it to anyone. McKellen is the antagonist who propels them to find an answer.

I don't want to sound vague, but nobody — not even readers of the book — wants spoilers in a review. The real success of the movie is that Howard maintains the suspense of the story even when you're pretty sure where it's headed. The cinematography, music and lighting are superb. And for the most part, Goldsman's screenplay — while very long — lets us play along. Unfortunately, he treats some of the story lazily, as if it were "Batman" and Tautou were a female Bruce Wayne searching for her roots.

You can almost feel a shift as the movie turns away from its course and heads into difficult territory. When the big reveal comes, the audience I was with was so uncomfortable that they laughed at the wrong moment. I suspect that won't be the case when the film plays in theaters; regular audiences are going to take this seriously. But I wish it had been done a different way.

Howard, smartly, senses there's a problem and immediately tries to undo the damage by letting Tautou almost mock the reveal. Howard, you see, has a beautiful mind himself, so he knows how to dig himself out of trouble.

Is "The Da Vinci Code" the best movie of 2006? Probably not. But it's a good movie, a solid entertainment with much to recommend it. The only people who could be unhappy with it are Opus Dei, which is fairly well attacked as represented in excellent performances by Paul Bettany, Jean Reno and Alfred Molina.

Mainstream audiences will take this for what it is: superb escapism, excellent summer entertainment and ambitious filmmaking.
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