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Old 06-08-2009, 11:24 PM   #736
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Well the number of justified homicides really haven't gone up with the passing of the law. I wasn't solely referring to people who live together though, just any prior relationship.
It has here. You missed my point. The reason for bringing up if they lived together is part of the law's equation. A lover's quarrel living under the same roof is usually murder until proven otherwise. A lover's quarrel under the sole survivor's roof is now almost automatically considered self defense, male or female.
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Old 06-08-2009, 11:41 PM   #737
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Yeah I know what you meant, it still relates to whether the two parties knew each other before the shooting or not. Hopefully if there was prior contact the cases are reviewed more heavily. Just because the law says you can protect yourself doesn't mean they won't investigate.
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Old 06-09-2009, 08:22 AM   #738
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So even if someone was determined to break in, they could just be determined to steal some of your stuff. That's worth shooting killing someone who possibly has no intention of physically harming anyone?
probably no intention, how do i know? how do i know they dont have a gun and are going to panic and shoot at me once they see me? is it worth taking that risk once they actually break in and enter my place? as i said, if i could see they were a kid and/or were unarmed, i probably wouldnt shoot first. but if it's dark or whatever im not going to risk it. like i said, the kid would have to be pretty hardcore to break into my place. id probably fire once and pause for a second or 2 to see if that stops them, makes them run away, whatever. and if it doesnt id keep shooting till they go down.

and like i said, here in the VI its a little different. if someone is "that determined" to break in, they probably do have a gun.

just because i shoot them doesnt mean they will die. it's not like those western movies where someone gets shot and they immediatly fall down dead. you have something like a 90% chance of surviving a gunshot wound. unless i hit your heart, brain, or major artery, with treatment in a reasonable amount of time, you have a pretty decent chance of living. i'd never aim for the head, especially in the dark.

also depends of the type of gun and round you use. one shot to center mass with most pistols might knock them on their ass and incapacitate them, but not necessarily kill them. also depends on the persons size and all that.
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:12 AM   #739
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How the hell do you know where your aiming at if its dark?

For all you know, you could shoot a guy in the balls and kill him instantly
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Old 06-09-2009, 09:22 AM   #740
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How the hell do you know where your aiming at if its dark?

For all you know, you could shoot a guy in the balls and kill him instantly
well THAT would incapacitate him

you see the person's shape, you aim for center mass. where im at, the moon gives off lots of light, so it's not total darkness, plus i can see pretty well in the dark once my eyes get adjusted. plus my gun has night sights.

believe me, i've had training with shooting in the dark
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:26 PM   #741
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a strange thing happened to me last right. Around 2 am a loud noise woke me up, which has almost never happened before. I couldnt tell what it really was, but it sounded like it was right outside on my porch. I snapped right awake and just listened. about 5-10 seconds later i heard it again around the other side of my porch, by my front door. It couldnt tell what the hell it was but it sounded like something snapping or something hitting something. After the 1st one my landlord's dogs started barking like crazy. I grabbed my duty pistol right off the dresser next to my bed and started peeking through the window shades to see if there was someone out there. there wasnt. my porch is L shaped with a little waist-high gate at the entrance, which was still closed and most of the porch is about 5-8 feet off the ground. the dogs stopped barking after about 20 seconds after the 2nd noise. i still cant figure out what the noise was, cause it was too loud and too odd for 2 in the morning to be normal nighttime sounds.

so for all the people who think we shouldnt have guns for personal protection, i ask you this:

what if there was someone out there trying to brake in? I know what i would do, as soon as they broke through the door, i'd have "neutralized" them. since i have the gun, what would you all have me do? not use it? obviously someone trying to break into my apartment at 2am isnt just stopping in to say hello. and what if i didnt have the gun? what should i do then? call the police? i would be lucky if they showed up in an hour, if at all. i live on the west side of the island which is pretty desolate and isolated. since i live alone, what would you have me do in that situation, with or without the gun?

That's certainly scary! I can imagine why you have a gun or when you are a supporter of gun policy, but what if the burglar would have a gun too and is faster than you?
I would certainly not try to break in someone's home who lives in an isolated place without bringing one.
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:41 PM   #742
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That's certainly scary! I can imagine why you have a gun or when you are a supporter of gun policy, but what if the burglar would have a gun too and is faster than you?
I would certainly not try to break in someone's home who lives in an isolated place without bringing one.
i have my gun cause my occupation requires it (although i have other ones as well, just not with me )

id like to think my extensive training would give me the upper hand against some punk burglar. not to mention i'd be behind cover and aimed right at the door waiting for him to break in, since he'd have to go through 2 doors to get to me and i doubt he could get through the front door quickly enough without me jumping out of bed and getting ready.
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:45 PM   #743
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i have my gun cause my occupation requires it (although i have other ones as well, just not with me )

id like to think my extensive training would give me the upper hand against some punk burglar. not to mention i'd be behind cover and aimed right at the door waiting for him to break in, since he'd have to go through 2 doors to get to me and i doubt he could get through the front door quickly enough without me jumping out of bed and getting ready.

Then you're lucky, but what if you were not trained? That would be scary!
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probably no intention, how do i know?
This is exactly my point - you don't know, so your first instinct is to shoot with absolutely no warning whatsoever??

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like i said, the kid would have to be pretty hardcore to break into my place.
And like you also said, you have bars on the windows and are setup in such a way that you'd probably hear noise well before someone actually made it into the house. Why not call the cops and say you've got someone attempting to break and enter if you are awakened before they actually enter the house? And then announce in a loud voice before anyone is even in the house that you have a gun, are trained in its use and will not hesitate to use it if necessary?

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just because i shoot them doesnt mean they will die.
Except you've been trained to shoot center mass until the threat is neutralized, and you just earlier said that if one shot didn't drop them or cause them to run off you'd probably keep shooting. How does your likelihood of survival change if you get shot multiple times at center mass?

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unless i hit your heart, brain, or major artery, with treatment in a reasonable amount of time, you have a pretty decent chance of living. i'd never aim for the head, especially in the dark.

also depends of the type of gun and round you use. one shot to center mass with most pistols might knock them on their ass and incapacitate them, but not necessarily kill them. also depends on the persons size and all that.
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what center mass means - I take that to mean you are aiming for their chest/abdomen area as it's the biggest target and their "center." There seem to be a lot of vital organs in that general vicinity, and it seems like the chances of hitting one are pretty high, especially if you're shooting more than once.

Also "with treatment in a reasonable amount of time" sounds like an odd thing for you to say considering you wrote off the police responding in time since they're so far away from you.
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id like to think my extensive training would give me the upper hand against some punk burglar. not to mention i'd be behind cover and aimed right at the door waiting for him to break in, since he'd have to go through 2 doors to get to me and i doubt he could get through the front door quickly enough without me jumping out of bed and getting ready.
Again this only strengthens my case. Since the odds would be stacked highly in your favor - behind cover, aiming at his only point of entry - why not give the guy the option by firmly stating that you have a gun, are trained in its use and will not hesitate to use it if necessary? I'd say that 9 times out of 10 if a burglar - who isn't expecting to run into anybody who is awake, much less awake and prepared for his entry with weapon drawn - finds out before he even makes it through the door that there's someone waiting for him with gun drawn, he's going to bolt.

Why even give him the opportunity to make it through your door unsuspecting?
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:18 PM   #746
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This is exactly my point - you don't know, so your first instinct is to shoot with absolutely no warning whatsoever??
if my life is possibly in danger, yes. id rather shoot someone thats trying to break into my place than not shoot them and have something happen, like they shoot me



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And like you also said, you have bars on the windows and are setup in such a way that you'd probably hear noise well before someone actually made it into the house. Why not call the cops and say you've got someone attempting to break and enter if you are awakened before they actually enter the house? And then announce in a loud voice before anyone is even in the house that you have a gun, are trained in its use and will not hesitate to use it if necessary?
like i said, where i am at id be lucky if they showed up at all, let alone in a reasonable amount of time. and a robber here probably will have a gun and there might be more than one. lots of people break into places to steal guns as well. announcing the fact that i have a gun might not be a good idea. they might leave and then wait until im not around to break in and steal the gun (which would not be good for my career ) at worst, i announce all that and they panic or whatever and start shooting into my apartment. so announcing your presence isnt generally a good idea.



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Except you've been trained to shoot center mass until the threat is neutralized, and you just earlier said that if one shot didn't drop them or cause them to run off you'd probably keep shooting. How does your likelihood of survival change if you get shot multiple times at center mass?
obviously a lot. if i shoot them once, pause, and they still want to make a fight of it, then i think im justified in continuing to shoot



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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what center mass means - I take that to mean you are aiming for their chest/abdomen area as it's the biggest target and their "center." There seem to be a lot of vital organs in that general vicinity, and it seems like the chances of hitting one are pretty high, especially if you're shooting more than once.
it still doesnt guarantee death. look up statistics on gunshot wounds. it's not the crap you see in movies. and it depends on the bullet

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Also "with treatment in a reasonable amount of time" sounds like an odd thing for you to say considering you wrote off the police responding in time since they're so far away from you.
i was talking in general, not my situation. unless they knew how to, or were able to treat themselves, and the wound was serious enough, then yeah theyd probably be in trouble
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Old 06-09-2009, 06:32 PM   #747
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Just get a tazer gun
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I recognize there may be legal differences state by state...

but to me the robber assumes the risk of his would-be victim being armed.
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Old 06-10-2009, 11:44 AM   #749
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Just get a tazer gun
actually i might be getting one issued sometime in the near future

not really a good nighttime defense weapon. i wouldnt want to use one against an armed opponent.

maybe i could just beat the shit out of them with my extendable baton, right?
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With all these guns you get issued with, where do you work?
Wallmart?
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