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Old 06-04-2009, 09:21 PM   #691
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I payed for my degree. I'm now doing a Masters which i funded myself, by working and saving.

My family is not rich. I'd say I am lower middle class now (however you define it) but my grandparents worked in factories when they first arrived, facing racial abuse. My mum worked permanent nights in a factory which she hated and it had massive impact on her health, but she had to do it to pay the bills. My dad has no qualiifcations but he has woked for the last 35 years. Me and my bro are the first to go to uni in our entire family.

No handouts in my family (thats why i hate Labour, they help undeserving chavs) When i was at school (16-18), i applied for £30 a week grant for students. I was told i dont fit into the threshold.
Instead all the dumb ass kids who got no qualifications were rewarded with £30 a week to turn up to school. It takes the piss. £30 a week, if saved, would have helped at uni. I owe no one anything and have no intention of helping others.

I am from a family of immigrants. I am British born and think that despite its problems (chavs), the UK is one of the greatest places to live in the world. I live in the arsehole of Britian, the West Midlands. I went to a shitty school where attainment levels are low. No one else in the 65 year history of my school went to a uni ranked as high as mine or got my grades.

I am 100% British and always will be no matter what anyone else tells me. But to say i'd die for my country, no chance.

I love Britain. It has given me a great standard of living. I've been to other places and thought 'living in uk is like winning the lottery'

I look down on certain people as i despise how they behave. They beg in the street at 2pm, drunk, asking for 20p. Not my duty to help them. When i walk past and ignore them, i get greeted with the response 'fucking arab shit'
Then there is the kids who know no boundaries, why should i respect them?

I wouldnt fight for UK as i dont want to get hurt. Simple as that.

What i said about most people not being fully evolved i take back. It's probably only 25%. But 25% too many
It's funny, people will criticize your post (hating their own hypocrisy, perhaps) but this is one of the most honest posts I've seen here.

I agree with you about New Labour, they have f***ed Britain. I despise everything New Labour stands for.
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:28 PM   #692
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So these gun-toters shouldn't be considered true Christians?
That's for Christ to figure out.

But given his text, I would think most would realize Christ knew no borders therefore the celebration(and making political statement) of a man-made American law within a church should be questionable, that pridefully wearing a weapon of death should be questionable(for even history shows us that at times when weapons were worn regularly they were removed for worship), there just is no Biblical precedent that can justify such a moronic move.

Be ashamed, be very ashamed...
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:41 PM   #693
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Agreed.

Christ will have to honor John 3:16 though.
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:56 PM   #694
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It's funny, people will criticize your post (hating their own hypocrisy, perhaps) but this is one of the most honest posts I've seen here.
I agree with you, and I do respect that honesty.

I just find the attitude to be unfortunate, is all.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:40 AM   #695
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I payed for my degree. I'm now doing a Masters which i funded myself, by working and saving.

My family is not rich. I'd say I am lower middle class now (however you define it) but my grandparents worked in factories when they first arrived, facing racial abuse. My mum worked permanent nights in a factory which she hated and it had massive impact on her health, but she had to do it to pay the bills. My dad has no qualiifcations but he has woked for the last 35 years. Me and my bro are the first to go to uni in our entire family.

No handouts in my family (thats why i hate Labour, they help undeserving chavs) When i was at school (16-18), i applied for £30 a week grant for students. I was told i dont fit into the threshold.
Instead all the dumb ass kids who got no qualifications were rewarded with £30 a week to turn up to school. It takes the piss. £30 a week, if saved, would have helped at uni. I owe no one anything and have no intention of helping others.

I am from a family of immigrants. I am British born and think that despite its problems (chavs), the UK is one of the greatest places to live in the world. I live in the arsehole of Britian, the West Midlands. I went to a shitty school where attainment levels are low. No one else in the 65 year history of my school went to a uni ranked as high as mine or got my grades.

I am 100% British and always will be no matter what anyone else tells me. But to say i'd die for my country, no chance.

I love Britain. It has given me a great standard of living. I've been to other places and thought 'living in uk is like winning the lottery'

I look down on certain people as i despise how they behave. They beg in the street at 2pm, drunk, asking for 20p. Not my duty to help them. When i walk past and ignore them, i get greeted with the response 'fucking arab shit'
Then there is the kids who know no boundaries, why should i respect them?

I wouldnt fight for UK as i dont want to get hurt. Simple as that.

What i said about most people not being fully evolved i take back. It's probably only 25%. But 25% too many

Very honest post. In fact, so honest and direct that I am struggling to find the right words to respond. Gave me more inward thought than probably anything I've read here before. Our backgrounds sound very similar including family experience (except I've never drawn fire for what someone perceived as my ethnic background). I also paid for my own education, working several smelly jobs along the way to make it happen. I really resented others (through no fault of their own) just had more given to them and had a lot more fun along the way. I finished up over $80,000 (plus plenty of interest) in debt and spent several more years paying that back. That was money I could have had a good old time with. I'm better off now, and my goal now (ironically) is to have my children's educational experience to be more like that of those who I spent my time resenting in the past.

As a result of those experiences (described above), for a long time my outlook on the world was very solitary and "every man for himself". Like you, I had absolutely no patience for anyone who did not seem to have the self-respect to pull themselves together and overcome any situation that faced them (especially someone who had certain advantages to begin with). Back then, to me, absolutely no one was lower on the evolutionary scale (and irritated me more) than the faux-hippie student drug users (in the 1990's) whose families were paying for everything.

These days, for reasons I have not really examined, I am much more liberal in my outlook on the world. I wonder, however, if my liberal outlook now is perhaps really just a superiority complex of my own in disguise. That is, if I could overcome "barriers", why do I think that anyone else could not do the same? I don't know. I just know that life is great, but it is also hard work. I give room to the idea that not everyone wants to try so hard all of the time. I don't usually quote the Bible, but I often am reminded that Jesus said, "The poor you will always have with you". That is obviously true (for whatever reasons God has ordered them). So, maybe that is why I don't apply my "every man for himself" doctrine so much anymore.

This is more than I've ever said about myself on the internet. As a rule I don't share personal information with strangers on the internet, and I'll probably regret it a few seconds after I click "submit reply". But I figure I owe it since I provoked you into giving such a personal reply. Peace.
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a strange thing happened to me last right. Around 2 am a loud noise woke me up, which has almost never happened before. I couldnt tell what it really was, but it sounded like it was right outside on my porch. I snapped right awake and just listened. about 5-10 seconds later i heard it again around the other side of my porch, by my front door. It couldnt tell what the hell it was but it sounded like something snapping or something hitting something. After the 1st one my landlord's dogs started barking like crazy. I grabbed my duty pistol right off the dresser next to my bed and started peeking through the window shades to see if there was someone out there. there wasnt. my porch is L shaped with a little waist-high gate at the entrance, which was still closed and most of the porch is about 5-8 feet off the ground. the dogs stopped barking after about 20 seconds after the 2nd noise. i still cant figure out what the noise was, cause it was too loud and too odd for 2 in the morning to be normal nighttime sounds.

so for all the people who think we shouldnt have guns for personal protection, i ask you this:

what if there was someone out there trying to brake in? I know what i would do, as soon as they broke through the door, i'd have "neutralized" them. since i have the gun, what would you all have me do? not use it? obviously someone trying to break into my apartment at 2am isnt just stopping in to say hello. and what if i didnt have the gun? what should i do then? call the police? i would be lucky if they showed up in an hour, if at all. i live on the west side of the island which is pretty desolate and isolated. since i live alone, what would you have me do in that situation, with or without the gun?
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People would kill people they disliked as soon as they walked onto their property
and then say they were going to break in
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well that answers my question
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so for all the people who think we shouldnt have guns for personal protection, i ask you this:

what if there was someone out there trying to brake in? I know what i would do, as soon as they broke through the door, i'd have "neutralized" them. since i have the gun, what would you all have me do? not use it? obviously someone trying to break into my apartment at 2am isnt just stopping in to say hello. and what if i didnt have the gun? what should i do then? call the police? i would be lucky if they showed up in an hour, if at all. i live on the west side of the island which is pretty desolate and isolated. since i live alone, what would you have me do in that situation, with or without the gun?
I'll answer you with your type of logic. The percentage of break ins while someone is home, is small. Locks, police, baseball bats all come to mind.

What if you hadn't woken up and someone actually did break in and grabbed the gun off your nightstand?

What would you do if you had kids, still keep the gun on the nightstand?

We can play "what if's" all day long.
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cant get a straight answer on here can i?

and my bedroom door was also locked, so i think i'd wake up before they could break through both doors. and the windows have bars on them.

if i had kids, which i dont and i said i live alone, of course i wouldnt keep it out in the open like that, that's common sense.



so my doors are locked, im sure NOBODY could get through that. and if they do i call the police which wont come in time, or use the baseball bat which i dont have and hope they dont have a gun.

breakins in the VI are a lot more common than the states, btw. why do you think my landlord has bars on the windows and 3 dogs chained in the yard?
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You didn't ask a straight forward question, did you?
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You didn't ask a straight forward question, did you?
yes i did

what should i do in that situation if i have a gun?

what should i do in that situation if i dont have a gun?

and i've already said the police wont get there in time.

im talking about MY situation alone, if there was someone trying to break in, which there could have been someone sneaking around out there and then ran off, i dont know.
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and i've already said the police wont get there in time.
How do you know your timeline? A good alarm or lock system will either scare away or deter them for awhile, you can't be for certain they wouldn't make it in time.

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im just curious as to how people against guns would handle something like that, or what they think they'd do IF they had a gun.
Already answered that.


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i just dont see how "the chances are so small" arguement has anything to do with anything. explain it.
You and hyper used that excuse any chance you could get. Just scan back...
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How do you know your timeline? A good alarm or lock system will either scare away or deter them for awhile, you can't be for certain they wouldn't make it in time.

cause the nearest police station is about 20 minutes away and they dont really patrol my area very much. i dont have an alarm system, thats waaay too much advanced techology for the VI

im lucky if my phone works half the time
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and my bedroom door was also locked, so i think i'd wake up before they could break through both doors. and the windows have bars on them.
Unless you were like my girlfriend who can sleep through anything if she takes her sleeping pill...

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if i had kids, which i dont and i said i live alone, of course i wouldnt keep it out in the open like that, that's common sense.
You say it's common sense, but it happens more than you are probably willing to admit. I think my point is that you always hear these gun owners talk about how they are safe they keep the guns locked up or what not, but then what's the point if the scenario is like this?


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so my doors are locked, im sure NOBODY could get through that. and if they do i call the police which wont come in time, or use the baseball bat which i dont have and hope they dont have a gun.
No, you don't wait till they come in to call. Well I would hope you hope they don't have a gun in any occassion.
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