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Old 05-08-2009, 12:55 PM   #556
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Of course, people are not clones of each other.

I just didn't particularly care for that post of yours, it came across as really patronizing and assuming.
Mine?
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No, sorry, bigjohn's.
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I can only speak from my experiences, I have the unfortunate fact that I know quite a few very close friends that have been raped in their lifetime, but I don't know one that took up caring a gun.
I was beaten up in the course of an attempted rape once (not anyone I knew). Not terribly, a few broken fingers, some bruised ribs, a busted lip and the clothes I was wearing were pretty much ruined...probably would've been worse if it hadn't happened in a riskily busy area (for the assailant). It didn't make me want to carry a gun nor any other weapon, not least because they would've been no use to me given how the situation unfolded. Very often that's the case; you're not given the benefit of seeing the attack coming. What did help somewhat was the half-hour crash course on basic self-defense tactics we'd been given in health class back in high school.
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Old 05-08-2009, 03:01 PM   #559
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Sorry to hear about your experience Yolland...
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Old 05-08-2009, 03:43 PM   #560
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No, sorry, bigjohn's.
i dont think some of you read too well. i said I WONDER how many victims got guns after, or supported them afterwards. i never said they all did or do. christ.

might want to read my post again before you get too offended.
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What did help somewhat was the half-hour crash course on basic self-defense tactics we'd been given in health class back in high school.
Holy crap, what a horrible experience...very sorry that happened to you!

Excellent points about real self-defense that gun ownership doesn't provide.
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Old 05-08-2009, 08:39 PM   #562
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i dont think some of you read too well. i said I WONDER how many victims got guns after, or supported them afterwards. i never said they all did or do. christ.
No, it was more your implication that we're sitting here cushy without an understanding for what goes on out there in the big, bad world.
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:23 AM   #563
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No, it was more your implication that we're sitting here cushy without an understanding for what goes on out there in the big, bad world.
didnt i say i wasnt directing it at anyone and that no i dont know what you have been through?

again, learn to read better
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:24 PM   #564
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You're awfully defensive at our responses. Maybe we read just fine, and you're the one who needs to think things through a little better; it could be that your assumptions were way off the mark.
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ha, i could care less. yesterday was just a shitty day at work and i didnt feel like arguing on the internet

when i clearly state in my posts that im not directing it at anyone on here nor i dont know what you all have gone through, and clearly say "i wonder" how many victims get/support guns afterwards NOT that they all do, and people seem to get pissy about it, it makes me think they cant read too well.

my assumptions way off the mark? so if you and your family were about to be raped and killed you wouldnt want a gun or wish someone else had one? and how do you know how you would feel after something like that? and just because you THINK you would feel a certain way after being a victim of a violent crime doesnt mean everyone else would think that way.

i guess that arguement could go the other way in that people involved in gun accidents could give up their guns.

but let me do what some people on here did:

a few years back i was going to karate class and when i got there there was blood all over the floor in the instrutors office and he wasnt there. well he accidentally shot himself in the hand about 20 minutes prior with a .45 pistol while cleaning it or unloading it or something. but he still has all his guns and is still strongly pro-gun. that must mean EVERYONE involved in a gun accident still likes guns and it didnt affect them.

see what im getting at? just because YOU have or know of an experience that is contrary to my agrument doesnt mean it's like that across the board.
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see what im getting at? just because YOU have or know of an experience that is contrary to my agrument doesnt mean it's like that across the board.
We get that, I'm just not quite sure if you do...
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We get that, I'm just not quite sure if you do...
how could i not get it if im the one that said it? thats why i said "i wonder" in my post.

you dont know how many people are against guns and feel the same after being the victim of a violent crime and i dont know how many go out and get them or support them after.

i was just bringing up a point for discussion, i wasnt saying more people do than dont. i dont know how that got into your heads. maybe cause you cant read too well.
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i was just bringing up a point for discussion, i wasnt saying more people do than dont.
And we discussed it. And you got defensive.
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And we discussed it. And you got defensive.
like i said, yesterday was shitty at work and i was pissed off at the time and didnt feel like "discussing"
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how could i not get it if im the one that said it? thats why i said "i wonder" in my post.
John, you say that but you just got finished writing:

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my assumptions way off the mark? so if you and your family were about to be

After some of us told you our personal experience, you still proceed under your assumption that we don't know how we would feel if we were put in that situation.

You have become very assumptive and defensive the last couple of days and you've lost your normal calm collective reasonable means to discussing this subject. I have actually found you to be one of the few reasonable pro-gun debaters in FYM, but you come off a little rattled the last two days.
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