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Old 05-05-2009, 01:38 PM   #466
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There are three supporters in this thread, I believe?

One has a stance.

One thinks they're tools.

And one shoots for shits and giggles.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:41 PM   #467
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i agree, fully, that there is a constitutional right to own a gun.

i just want the gun owners to admit that their hobby and their lobby -- namely, the NRA -- results in 10,000 dead people per year, a significant portion of whom who would not be dead were guns more strictly controlled if not outright banned.
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:43 PM   #468
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There are three supporters in this thread, I believe?

One has a stance.

One thinks they're tools.

And one shoots for shits and giggles.
which one am i?
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Old 05-05-2009, 01:45 PM   #469
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i agree, fully, that there is a constitutional right to own a gun.

i just want the gun owners to admit that their hobby and their lobby -- namely, the NRA -- results in 10,000 dead people per year, a significant portion of whom who would not be dead were guns more strictly controlled if not outright banned.

it's not a hobby for me. my job requires me to possess/carry firearm(s).

so you dont have a problem with ownership of guns, but you want us to admit that they kill people? well no shit! i'll admit that guns kill people is it unfortunate that our constitutional right results in deaths? of course.

ive said all along that the guns themselves arent the problem. it's the lack of controls and guns falling into the wrong hands, as well as the criminals that use them are the main issues.
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it's not a hobby for me. my job requires me to possess/carry firearm(s).


i don't hear anyone objecting to that.
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i don't hear anyone objecting to that.
just wanted to make the point that my support of firearms doesnt just stem from "shits and giggles" or i just like to shoot stuff.
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just wanted to make the point that my support of firearms doesnt just stem from "shits and giggles" or i just like to shoot stuff.


do you see a distinction between being required to carry a firearm for work vs. owning one for pleasure?
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i agree, fully, that there is a constitutional right to own a gun.

i just want the gun owners to admit that their hobby and their lobby -- namely, the NRA -- results in 10,000 dead people per year, a significant portion of whom who would not be dead were guns more strictly controlled if not outright banned.
Bullshit, and I don't have any blood on my hand from my hobby.

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There are three supporters in this thread, I believe?

One has a stance.

One thinks they're tools.

And one shoots for shits and giggles.

That line has played out.






Holy shit, get rid of them all.
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do you see a distinction between being required to carry a firearm for work vs. owning one for pleasure?
of course, but

if law enforcement are allowed to have firearms, then why shouldnt competent, law-abiding citizens with proper training not be allowed to as well?
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of course, but

if law enforcement are allowed to have firearms, then why shouldnt competent, law-abiding citizens with proper training not be allowed to as well?


is that the present situation? and how do you ensure that only competent, law-abiding citizens with proper training are allowed to own them?
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Bullshit, and I don't have any blood on my hand from my hobby.

except that you do.
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except that you do.

Nope, they're not my fault or problem.
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Bullshit, and I don't have any blood on my hand from my hobby.
No, but I do think your type of mentality does lead to a lot of the gun violence in this country. I think this whole gun culture, guns are fun, let's get as many toys as we can, and take the whole family out to watch people shoot fully automatic gas powered guns mentality can be damaging. It makes guns into entertainment and not weapons designed to kill, because at the end of the day, that's what they are.

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That line has played out.
Actually it hasn't, because it show the wide line between John's logic and the gun nut logic.


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Holy shit, get rid of them all.
See you have the all or nothing, everyone should own and carry no matter what mentality...

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if law enforcement are allowed to have firearms, then why shouldnt competent, law-abiding citizens with proper training not be allowed to as well?
And you have those that actually believe proper training and some control is needed.
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is that the present situation? and how do you ensure that only competent, law-abiding citizens with proper training are allowed to own them?
no, but ive said time and time again that i am all for making controls that make that possible. i've said my ideas before on controls that i think would work, but im not a lawmaker am i?
are we not on the same page there?
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I believe in proper training, I've received plenty.

Proper training like the police?

YouTube - Dumb cop almost shoots partner

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