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Old 05-01-2009, 10:40 AM   #346
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Mass gun deaths are a tiny, tiny percentage of gun homicides but they sure do get people in a stir.

Of course they do, for someone who claimed to care about human life earlier you should know why...

Any society that allows the posession of a "tool" that can take out several human lives within seconds should be carefully looked at.

Hyper, you're at an advantage because currently we still interpret an outdated ammendment to mean you can carry, because honestly your arguments are weak. You don't care about self defense and your only argument has always been "it's just a small percentage". But history will show you that small percentages often shape and change law, safety requirements, etc, because human life is human life and if one can be saved it's worth it.

Right now you have your tools for shits and giggles...
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:48 AM   #347
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i like how everyone ignored the harvard study i posted a few pages back

i guess arguing personal opinions back and forth is more productive.
Like I said, it was a pretty weak review. And even though it didn't start out with a certain agenda it failed to acknowledge a lot of factors. Let's be honest there is no perfect way to study and summarize this subject.
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:52 AM   #348
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guns=freedom

America is the country with the most freedom, as well as the most guns. Coincidence?

Look at countries like China and Russia where guns are heavily restricted if not completely outlawed. Look how those people live. Oh wait, they have totalitarian governments controlling them. Coincidence?

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Old 05-01-2009, 10:56 AM   #349
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Like I said, it was a pretty weak review. And even though it didn't start out with a certain agenda it failed to acknowledge a lot of factors. Let's be honest there is no perfect way to study and summarize this subject.
oh, so you read the whole .pdf file that was around 20 pages long?

i know it isnt perfect, but i think it brings up a valid point that should be explored more.
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:01 AM   #350
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guns=freedom

America is the country with the most freedom, as well as the most guns. Coincidence?

Look at countries like China and Russia where guns are heavily restricted if not completely outlawed. Look how those people live. Oh wait, they have totalitarian governments controlling them. Coincidence?



look at countries like the UK, France, Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy, New Zealand, and Canada.

are they any less free than we are? likewise, do they have their freedoms restricted because they fear being the victims of gun violence?

do Americans murdered by guns have much freedom anymore?
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:03 AM   #351
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guns=freedom

America is the country with the most freedom, as well as the most guns. Coincidence?

Look at countries like China and Russia where guns are heavily restricted if not completely outlawed. Look how those people live. Oh wait, they have totalitarian governments controlling them. Coincidence?

I love these types of arguments, they're very entertaining. Given this weak argument I could also plug in 'Britney Spears' and say that is the deciding factor that separates us from these countries.

Wait, I thought guns = shits and giggles?

No wait, guns = tools...

Ya'll need to get your arguments straight.

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oh, so you read the whole .pdf file that was around 20 pages long?

i know it isnt perfect, but i think it brings up a valid point that should be explored more.
I did. Did you?
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:18 AM   #352
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I love these types of arguments, they're very entertaining. Given this weak argument I could also plug in 'Britney Spears' and say that is the deciding factor that separates us from these countries.

Wait, I thought guns = shits and giggles?

No wait, guns = tools...

Ya'll need to get your arguments straight.



I did. Did you?
yes i did.

how is the guns=freedom arguement weak? im sure the founding fathers didnt have that in mind at all when they made the 2nd amendment.

when did i say guns=shits and giggles or guns=tools? my arguements were always broader than just "i need to defend myself" or "i just like to shoot stuff"

some of you seem too narrow-minded to be open to any idea other than "guns kill people, lets ban them", so have fun argueing back and forth.

btw, we still have our guns and will probably always have them, so
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:35 AM   #353
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yes i did.

how is the guns=freedom arguement weak? im sure the founding fathers didnt have that in mind at all when they made the 2nd amendment.
I'm talking about the "coincidence" part of the argument, very elementary.

Yes but the founding fathers were living in a time when the military and citizen had the same technology, no longer the case.

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when did i say guns=shits and giggles or guns=tools? my arguements were always broader than just "i need to defend myself" or "i just like to shoot stuff"
I'm talking about the other gun supporters in this thread.

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some of you seem too narrow-minded to be open to any idea other than "guns kill people, lets ban them", so have fun argueing back and forth.
Actually I've been very open, and have repeated myself many many times that I do not want an all out ban, but some people have selective reading...

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btw, we still have our guns and will probably always have them, so
Well I was going to say how you have come off much more informed and mature than some of the other gun supporters in this thread, but I may have to take that back...
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:39 AM   #354
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Well I was going to say how you have come off much more informed and mature than some of the other gun supporters in this thread, but I may have to take that back...


just joking around, jeez. that mention of Britney Spears made me

cant be serious 100% of the time.

although i am worried Obama is going to take my guns away
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cant be serious 100% of the time.
You can't?

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America is the country with the most freedom, as well as the most guns. Coincidence?
I've lived in the US, Canada, and a couple of European nations.

I can't think of any freedom that I had in the US that I lacked in the others.

But please feel free to elucidate it for me.
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I've lived in the US, Canada, and a couple of European nations.

I can't think of any freedom that I had in the US that I lacked in the others.

But please feel free to elucidate it for me.



the freedom to own lots and lots of gun.

i am free because i can own a gun, and i own a gun because i am free.

it's like proving scripture with scripture.
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How do you measure freedom anyhow?

Is it based on the size of your mud-flaps?
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How do you measure freedom anyhow?

Is it based on the size of your mud-flaps?


like you'd know anything about freedom, Canadian slime.

do not speak, unless it's to answer a direct question posed to you by an American.

if you speak out of turn you'll be shot with a semi-automatic handgun.
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sorry, I'll back to my human-rights prison up here with our legalized pot and gay marriages...
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