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Old 04-14-2009, 12:13 AM   #136
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but a gun sure makes it easier.
It doesn't make it any worse.
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What a nutter. How many people did he kill while you were together? I've been in plenty of crises, I do understand it. The shakes come after the action, if you're properly trained.
In all fairness, he was very responsible. All his guns were locked in a gun cabinet, and the ammunition was stored and locked separately. He was not delusional enough to believe that he could positively affect a violent situation, so that was never an issue. Still, I was never comfortable having them in my home.

That's fine if you're a police officer or you have military gun training that has been continued regularly, but anything less than that is insufficient to handle a crisis situation.
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It doesn't make it any worse.


it makes it more frequent.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:19 AM   #139
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it makes it more frequent.
Prove it. Guns make it get reported more frequently.
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That's fine if you're a police officer or you have military gun training that has been continued regularly, but anything less than that is insufficient to handle a crisis situation.

Even that doesn't always help. I'd just rather have a fighting chance.
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You have to be 21 to carry anyway, that's generally senior year? I doubt most college kids even want to carry. A kid at the college in the town where I work just stabbed his GF to death, crimes of passion aren't going to stop no matter what the weapon. If a stranger is going to shoot you on campus, he doesn't care what the rules are. If someone you know decides to kill you, they don't are about the method. But, your chances of either are slim as hell.
This is such a weak argument you keep returning to...

The point is when you allow everyone to just start carrying like in days of the wild west, you will eventually have moments like the wild west. If you made pot legal, the likelihood is pot useage will go up. If you made prostitution legal it probably will get used more. If you allow anyone to freely carry a gun anywhere they probably will get used more. And college campuses in paticular would be a very volatile environment for free range guns.
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This is such a weak argument you keep returning to...

The point is when you allow everyone to just start carrying like in days of the wild west, you will eventually have moments like the wild west. If you made pot legal, the likelihood is pot useage will go up. If you made prostitution legal it probably will get used more. If you allow anyone to freely carry a gun anywhere they probably will get used more. And college campuses in paticular would be a very volatile environment for free range guns.
There are plenty of places where they can be carried freely and they don't get used more often. Simple as that.
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Prove it. Guns make it get reported more frequently.
Well I think it's a fairly common held belief that if it's made easier the likelihood of it occurring is probably increased.
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There are plenty of places where they can be carried freely and they don't get used more often. Simple as that.
Like where?
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Like where?
Concealed Weapon Summary Report - Division of Licensing, DOACS

Half a million licenses to carry in Florida, and only 166 revoked due to the use of a firearm in committing a crime. (in all fairness I should use the 1.4 million number but w/e)
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Prove it. Guns make it get reported more frequently.
o he risk of homicide in the home is three times greater in households with guns.2

* The risk of suicide is five times greater in households with guns.3

* From 1990-1998, over two-thirds of spouse and ex-spouse murder victims were killed with guns.4

* Guns are the weapon of choice for troubled individuals who commit suicide. In 2004, firearms were used in 16,750 suicide deaths in America. Among young people under 20, more than two young lives were lost daily to firearm-related suicides.5

* Due to firearm suicides, there are more than twice as many suicide victims in states with high household firearm ownership.6

* A gun in the home also increases the likelihood of an unintentional shooting, particularly among children. Unintentional shootings commonly occur when children find an adult's loaded handgun in a drawer or closet, and while playing with it shoot themselves, a sibling or a friend. The unintentional firearm-related death rate for children 0-14 years old is NINE times higher in the U.S. than in the 25 other countries combined.



it's from the Brady Campaign website. yes, it clearly does have an agenda. but please go ahead and counter each and every one of these statistics.
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Suicide counts now? The risk of suicide by gun increases when a gun is present. No shit. We've actually got a somewhat low suicide rate though. Even with guns.
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Suicide counts now? The risk of suicide by gun increases when a gun is present. No shit. We've actually got a somewhat low suicide rate though. Even with guns.


they call that moving the goalposts where i come from.

i'm not challenging the constitutional right to own guns. i really do think it's there.

i just want you to accept the fact that lots of innocent people die in the streets for that "freedom" and it's a problem the rest of the developed world doesn't have.
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Innocent people die from a number of things. The reason I brought up cities is because of how they skew our statistics as a nation. When one city (Philadelphia) has the same about of homicides as one state (Indiana) despite only having one sixth of the population, you can't say that the country is being shot to pieces. Montana probably has 4 guns for every citizen and they only had 10 homicides by gun in 2007.
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Half a million licenses to carry in Florida, and only 166 revoked due to the use of a firearm in committing a crime. (in all fairness I should use the 1.4 million number but w/e)
We have the same in TX but you still can't carry everywhere and that is my point, so the whole "carried freely" part of your post was a little misleading. Bars, campuses, arenas, etc still can't carry.

But our road rage deaths go up every year.
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