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Old 08-24-2011, 05:24 PM   #16
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Thank you for being such a bully, Irvine. I expected more from you.

I've read various and legit psychology websites where they've all said very little can be done about pedophiles.

Since you seem to be in know about this topic, why don't you show me where it says child molestors can indeed be rehabilitated. Even you said above that relapse is high.


i'm not the one arguing for EXECUTION. bullying indeed!

you are doing exactly what Fox News wants you to do, because this is exactly the type of topic where people feel entirely justified in indulging in whatever Dark Ages-type bloodlust lurks inside, and not only that but that the more severe the punishment they think said perpetrators deserve then the more they "care" about children and hence i'm so much more righteous and good than you.

none of this even comes close to solving the problem, let alone addressing it, and is indicative of reflexive moral outrage that kills actual understanding and dealing with stuff like this in any sort of rational way.

i don't have a solution, i'm not in a position to offer a solution. there are people far more qualified than i who work on this day-to-day and one one is suggesting that EXECUTION is a remotely acceptable way to deal with child molesters.

actually, castration, so long as it were voluntary, might be one of a variety of treatments that could be available.
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Old 08-24-2011, 05:29 PM   #17
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i'm not the one arguing for EXECUTION. bullying indeed!

you are doing exactly what Fox News wants you to do, because this is exactly the type of topic where people feel entirely justified in indulging in whatever Dark Ages-type bloodlust lurks inside, and not only that but that the more severe the punishment they think said perpetrators deserve then the more they "care" about children and hence i'm so much more righteous and good than you.
You don't realize you're being a bully. Righteous? Good? Talk about being arrogant!

I've been on FYM for a long time and this is how you sum me up? Even now, while you're being such a dick, I still hold your opinion in high regard, except for now while you're attacking me.

I suspect you're just angry that I posted a FOX News article and it said homosexuality is a choice - which by the way I certainly do not agree with and if you've noticed, I have supported same sex marriage on FYM - you are taking your anger out on me. Was that really necessary?
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You didn't answer my previous question: don't you think pedophiles are worse than murderers?


if I was an 8 year old, I would rather be molested and survive and have an opportunity to have some kind of a life,

than be tortured and murdered

there are many people that have had fairly good lives and then later tell of being molested. I am not in favor of lessening the penalties of molesters
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i think you're overreacting.

i also think it's insane to advocate for the execution of pedophiles, and i shouldn't not say so because you're a nice person and contribute good things to FYM.

i'm angry (well, not angry, i don't care enough about FYM to be angry) because what you have suggested on this single topic is, in my opinion, insane. it has nothing to do with homosexuality or same-sex marriage, and everything to do with what i've written about so far.
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Old 08-24-2011, 05:36 PM   #20
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Perhaps it is insane for me to think pedophiles should be executed. But when I hear about them raping children and even babies, I feel that there is no other way to rid the world of this problem.

Now I got to leave work. I'll be back on this topic when I get home.
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Old 08-24-2011, 05:40 PM   #21
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FWIW, i am presently doing a project at this very moment with an incest survivor, and i'm quite certain she's very glad she was molested and not murdered, if she had to choose between the two. she has done amazing things with her life.

i swear, that's what i'm working on right now.
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It is entirely sensible, rational and humane to encourage those with this tendency not to act out on their inclinations. The problem I see is - and this actually happened in the 1970s - organisations campaigning for the destigmization of paedophilia can be used as fronts by child abusers who have no intention of reforming, as a deliberate agenda to decriminalise child abuse. I am not, of course, suggesting this is the case with this particular group.
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I don't even know if I want to say anything, even in a devil's advocate kind of way about this subject because pedophile troubles me so much, but I've been messing around on Stumbleupon recently and I get a lot of ancient Rome/Greek info since I love history and it tailors the stumbles to your interests. Anyways, in regards to this topic and the idea that it's a lifestyle and what have you, what do you have to say to the fact that pedophile wasn't always a stigma and was actually the norm?

 
I almost didn't submit this post, and really only did in order to get a bit more discussion in a different direction going. I can't even begin to describe how disgusted I am by child molesters, though I've explained my reasons in the past. But execution? No, I don't think I can get behind that.
It is indeed fascinating how mores change over the eons. The ancient Greeks and Romans had a much more fluid definition of sexuality. Pederasty in ancient Greece was not always a sexual relationship, but it could be and it was fairly commonplace in the higher social strata.

I think pedophiles are amongst the most loathesome people on the planet, but I'd say mass murderers and terrorist leaders that encourage the killing of thousands of people are worse. I am also against the death penalty in any case, so I believe that repeat offenders should for the safety of society be locked up for good.
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OK, I did some thinking on the way home.

I don't support capital punishment for murderers because I think they would feel martyred if they were executed. When Timothy McVeigh was set to be executed, I was all for it. But then I learned about his attitude towards his death and it was that of a martyr.

Its possible pedophiles could feel the same way if they were to be executed, since some believe so firmly in molesting children. Also, to sink down the level of a child molester by executing them just isn't wise.

But what else can be done? There is no cure and relapsing is high. I just feel helpless when I hear about children being raped. Pedophiles could stay behind bars for life, which is a good option. Perhaps its the only option.

And I'm sorry for cursing you out, Irvine.
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no worries.
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I think we need to be very very careful about destigmatizing an activity that actively harms people--particularly people who are uniquely unable to defend themselves.
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I think we need to be very very careful about destigmatizing an activity that actively harms people--particularly people who are uniquely unable to defend themselves.


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"You've got to promise me if . . . you ever get to the point in your life where you are so puzzled, confused and frightened that you feel the only way out is to abuse or molest a little kid, well then, you have got to kill yourself.
You have got to lean into the strike zone and take one for the team."
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What do you think should be done about someone who killed dozens of people and is not ashamed?
Elect them governor of Texas?
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Gotta love the wording used. " Minor attracted ". Call these bastards what they are , child rapists. The completely fuck the lives of their victims and their families . The least we can do is castrate them and give them the life sentences they deserve. Do not make it ok by calling these people by a pc name and de stigmatizing it. They need to be publicly named and shamed and pay the penalty for their crime. I have 3 kids. I am hyper vigilant about where they are and who they are with at all times and we repeatedly go over protective behavior . But I am terrified that somehow someone will get to them. Pedophiles are so common this what I have to do as a parent and people want to de stigmatize it?
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