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Old 05-30-2010, 09:35 PM   #1
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Memorial Day

And I'm proud to be an American,
where at least I know I'm free.
And I won't forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.


~Lee Greenwood



Can you imagine a world today if young Americans had not gone to war?

Wars not started by the United States.

Can you imagine a Nazi world?


Their sacrifice is worth remembering.
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I assume you are talking about the second world war. The Allies in that war, believe it or not, consisted of more than Americans.
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:37 AM   #3
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I assume you are talking about the second world war. The Allies in that war, believe it or not, consisted of more than Americans.
But not the Irish, right?
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i think we need a better Memorial Day thread that doesn't include a quote form a hack song written by a hack songwriter to drum up support for the first Gulf War.
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The Allies in that war, believe it or not, consisted of more than Americans.
I think we're all aware of that. Believe it or not, today is an American national holiday in which we honor our fallen soldiers who have protected our liberties hence the focus on Americans who sacrificed....there is no need try to start a stupid arguement.
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But not the Irish, right?
Plenty of irish people fought in the Second World War.
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I think we're all aware of that. Believe it or not, today is an American national holiday in which we honor our fallen soldiers who have protected our liberties hence the focus on Americans who sacrificed....there is no need try to start a stupid arguement.


but the working assumption in the thread was that it was the US alone who liberated Europe. it's quite understandable that non-Americans, and many Americans, find this attitude irritating, no matter the holiday.

i also object to the blanket assumption that every dead American solider died to protect "my" "liberties" -- not many of my liberties were at stake in Iraq or Vietnam.

instead of welding a political message -- like that ghastly song quoted in the OP -- to the bravery of people willing to face the abject horror of battle, let's just appreciate their sacrifice and bravery, no matter the conflict.
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let's just appreciate their sacrifice and bravery, no matter the conflict.
Yes.
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But not the Irish, right?
Kieran isn't Irish, notwithstanding his name. But you're correct that Ireland was a neutral country.
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to the bravery of people willing to face the abject horror of battle, let's just appreciate their sacrifice and bravery, no matter the conflict.
Well sad! Cheers to that!
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-- to the bravery of people willing to face the abject horror of battle, let's just appreciate their sacrifice and bravery, no matter the conflict.


have you gone too far on the other side

are you now just honoring war?


so we want to honor the Nazi soldiers, the Imperialist Japanese soldiers, Taliban soldiers?
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have you gone too far on the other side

are you now just honoring war?


so we want to honor the Nazi soldiers, the Imperialist Japanese soldiers, Taliban soldiers?
:/ No, it's more like:

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have you gone too far on the other side

are you now just honoring war?


so we want to honor the Nazi soldiers, the Imperialist Japanese soldiers, Taliban soldiers?
Can't we just have some burgers and hang out with family and maybe think about our fallen American soldiers today? Gosh.

Thanks to our American service people, past and present.
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have you gone too far on the other side

are you now just honoring war?


so we want to honor the Nazi soldiers, the Imperialist Japanese soldiers, Taliban soldiers?

What the hell, deep. What the hell. Sometimes you need to think through your posts before you make them.
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In retrospect, the thread title should probably have tipped me off. Yes, ok so it's apparently Memorial Day in the US, and I can appreciate that. Still and all, most of the opening comments seemed to be referencing the big one, the second world war.

Another thing about that war: there was never going to be a 'nazi world'. Hitler lost the war the minute he marched on Russia. America's involvement in that war (entirely legitimate and necessary imo, unlike Vietnam or nearly anything since) occured for reasons rather more complex than this.
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In retrospect, the thread title should probably have tipped me off. Yes, ok so it's apparently Memorial Day in the US, and I can appreciate that. Still and all, most of the opening comments seemed to be referencing the big one, the second world war.

Another thing about that war: there was never going to be a 'nazi world'. Hitler lost the war the minute he marched on Russia. America's involvement in that war (entirely legitimate and necessary imo, unlike Vietnam or nearly anything since) occured for reasons rather more complex than this.

I did post this as an American. Memorial Day is an American Holiday. I am aware that young men from other Allied countries fought to defeat the Nazis.

I agree that Hitler made a big mistake taking on Russia, but if the Americans had not joined the Allies, Hitler may have had only the Eastern front to contend with.
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I'm raising my drink to my late Grandpa Sid who served in the VII Corps and fought in France and Germany, including crossing the Rhine and "liberating" the Nordhausen concentration camp (used "" because there was not much left to liberate). After he died, my mom got all of his war things from my grandma and Kinkos helped us make a book that included all his letters, maps, and photos from the war. My mom probably spent a year figuring out where all the photos were taken and who the other people were.

For me, WWII comes to mind first only because that is where my closest relative served. Regardless of my political convictions and how I feel about certain wars and offensive strikes I have the highest respect for all the veterans and active members of our military, even those that serve and protect us here at home.
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i think we need a better Memorial Day thread that doesn't include a quote form a hack song written by a hack songwriter to drum up support for the first Gulf War.
Not that either of us really give a shit but that song is older than that.
I don't know why it was written but it's at least as old as 1985.

As for a better song to honor American soldiers...?

I was going to post Neil Diamond's America as a corny joke.
But then I realized that I actually like Neil Diamond. Not so much that song.

Here's a non-political song about a Vietnam soldier, written by his son.
Vietnam is often overlooked by a lot of the Lee Greenwood crowd.



WW2, old Vera Lynn song, done by the Man.

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Not that either of us really give a shit but that song is older than that.
I don't know why it was written but it's at least as old as 1985.

we're both sort of right:

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"God Bless the USA" is an American patriotic country song written by country musician Lee Greenwood. The first Greenwood album it appears on is 1984's You've Got a Good Love Comin'. It reached number 7 on the country charts when originally released in 1984, and was played at the 1984 Republican National Convention with President Ronald Reagan and first lady Nancy Reagan in attendance, but the song gained greater prominence during the Gulf War in 1990 and 1991, as a way of boosting morale.

God Bless the USA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

just, you know, FWIW.

and i found this striking:

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A music video was released for this song in 1984, depicting Greenwood as a farmer who loses the family farm.
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