But the recession has also opened up practical opportunities for more urban raves like Scumoween. Dick, aged 30, said: "In a recession, as we've seen with the dawn of acid house and with New York in the 1970s, anywhere where's there's been a really good underground clubbing scene, you get into buildings. When you get into a building you've got the potential to have raves. Instead of gentrification, you've got empty buildings and construction projects are never finished and that creates a vacuum. If the recession continues then history indicates that the underground illegal club scene tends to thrive."
Says Miller, aged 27: "The recession increases the need not to have parties in awful bars where it's £12 on the door and it's populated with arseholes and the drinks are too expensive." But economic variables are, adds Miller, secondary to the influence of the internet in dictating a new rave culture.
"There is a self-entitlement with the generation that has grown up on the internet. They've already destroyed the music and publishing industry, now they're working on destroying the film industry. Next might be the event industry which is crying out to be destroyed.
"There is a genuine feeling that if they want to do it, then why can't they do it? If we want free songs, then why can't we get free songs? If we want these parties in the centre of London then why don't we have these parties in the centre of London?"
