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Old 06-18-2015, 05:56 PM   #46
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I did not say Dylann Roof is not a racist. The facts are showing he is a racist.



I did say that Obama used this to again further divide Americans and push his agenda. I guess you do not agree with this, but I'm not alone in viewing his speech as divisive.



Obama says church shooting shows need for reckoning on guns - AOL.com





He also lied when he said that mass killings do not occur in other advanced countries.



They do. In Norway a murderer killed 70 children and adults a few year ago.



Senseless murders occur all over the world. They have in the past. They will in the future. There is evil in this world.



It is sad. It is tragic.



My hope is that we will try to discuss the reasons these events occur and how we can better prevent them. Hopefully we can stop the next one.

And here you continue to push your agenda of diminishing any white on black racism. And you continue to lie, Obama did not say that.


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Old 06-18-2015, 09:04 PM   #47
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the iron horse is just another right winger - they are excellent at changing the topic. So now we are all discussing gun crimes in other countries and Obama's race baiting instead of the fact that an openly white supremacist was given a gun as a gift and went about shooting black people dead in a place where they would gather.
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I am so far away from this issue, so excuse me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how this is about anything but guns and race. I can't see how it's about anything else?
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Old 06-18-2015, 09:23 PM   #49
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I am so far away from this issue, so excuse me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how this is about anything but guns and race. I can't see how it's about anything else?

Facts = race card


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Old 06-18-2015, 09:51 PM   #50
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My question is if he is such a loner freak. How can he be smart enough to know about obscure apartheid era flags. Or did he have some kind of mentor?
Hardly obscure, these flags (and colonial regimes) are quite popular amongst white supremacists I would imagine. All it would take to learn about it is a quick browse through Wikipedia.

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I am so far away from this issue, so excuse me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how this is about anything but guns and race. I can't see how it's about anything else?
In my view, this is first and foremost about white supremacy, the gun issue (whilst still important) is secondary.

I must say I find the whole 'he must be mentally ill!' narrative a bit discomforting, for what it's worth.
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I am so far away from this issue, so excuse me if I'm wrong, but I can't see how this is about anything but guns and race. I can't see how it's about anything else?
It's a tic of gun enthusiasts/right wingers that I'm not sure they even realize they are consciously employing. They demand that we not talk about guns when gun violence occurs. Then when we are allowed to talk about gun violence, they emphasize how they're not dangerous. They're not comfortable talking about gun control in the wake of gun violence because the argument that guns aren't dangerous can't be made in good faith. So they lash out at the idea of talking about guns and put the other side on the defensive by accusing them of "politicizing a tragedy," when really those in favor of gun control just want to begin the steps of preventing more tragedies.

If you have come out against gun control, you have enabled this shit. If you have ever accused people of playing the race card or said that racism is over or that white privilege doesn't exist, you have enabled this shit.
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Here's someone who may appear to be some idiot Internet commenter, but is actually an NRA board member:

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I really don't care if this guy is mentally ill, racist, or both. The issue is how that was able to be expressed and it comes down to a fundamental cultural problem: firearms are sacred. "Our founding fathers had guns and John Wayne had a gun, so why shouldn't I? I'm an American, dammit! Don't even talk about it. Don't even think about it. You're simply trying to enslave me, you fascist piece of shit."

So fucking on and so fucking forth. The loss of children at Sandy Hook failed to impact this aspect of our culture, so I doubt the death of 9 grown African Americans will cause white America to rethink anything. It's horrible.
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His agenda is far beyond gun control, the issue here is hate and his plan to spread that hate.

I would not be surprised if he was trying to impress any random white supremacist group since he clearly planned the entire scenario.
He walked into a place of Worship knowing he would be safe as he acted out his evil deed targeting a kind, peace loving group and purposely left a witness to tell the story.

Spreading hatred is malignant and eats up all that is good. The anger generated from his hateful act generates more seeds of hate. Hate is a crime that needs harsh sentencing.

Guns are not the root cause, it is the hatred pulling the trigger.

Personally, I see him as a terrorist and he should be tried as a terrorist in a civilian court.
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He is not a terrorist. Terrorists commit crime in an attempt to force some form of political change - Gavrilo Princip killed Franz Ferdinand in a concerted attempt to destabilise Austrian control in the Slavic region. The Dawson's Field hijackings in 1970 were in response to the British role in the establishment of Israel and their subsequent occupation of Jordan. The Aum Shinrikyo sarin gas attacks in 1995 were directed at the Japanese government in an attempt to reinstall a monarchy. Al Qaeda hijacked planes and ran them into the World Trade Centre to create instability in Afghanistan in the Middle East.

This is a hate crime.

The gunman literally said this when he stated "these people are raping our women and taking over our country", when he carried the flag of regimes of hate in South Africa, when he murdered people in a place of safety and worship. There's no long term plan here, there's no actual attempt to enact any political action here. This is a hateful, vile human being with access to firearms and a desire to act on that hate.
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Here's someone who may appear to be some idiot Internet commenter, but is actually an NRA board member:

Sorry, what? Are you fucking insane, "Chas."?
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He is not a terrorist. Terrorists commit crime in an attempt to force some form of political change - Gavrilo Princip killed Franz Ferdinand in a concerted attempt to destabilise Austrian control in the Slavic region. The Dawson's Field hijackings in 1970 were in response to the British role in the establishment of Israel and their subsequent occupation of Jordan. The Aum Shinrikyo sarin gas attacks in 1995 were directed at the Japanese government in an attempt to reinstall a monarchy. Al Qaeda hijacked planes and ran them into the World Trade Centre to create instability in Afghanistan in the Middle East.

This is a hate crime.

The gunman literally said this when he stated "these people are raping our women and taking over our country", when he carried the flag of regimes of hate in South Africa, when he murdered people in a place of safety and worship. There's no long term plan here, there's no actual attempt to enact any political action here. This is a hateful, vile human being with access to firearms and a desire to act on that hate.
He wants to start a civil war. This is what he told someone he personally knows.
Sounds like terrorism based on hate.
Suspect Heard Talking of 'Starting a Civil War'
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Mass Shooting at South Carolina AME Church

I know this may be shocking to some, but believe me when I tell you there are people who hate others in every country on earth. The one big difference is access to guns, which means a far, far, far less frequent number of not only mass shootings, but gun crimes in general, particularly in developed countries like in Europe. One only needs to look at statistics to determine that this is true.

So it is absolutely a gun control issue. And in this case, also one about race.

I was thinking about this yesterday. Maybe it's because I'm currently in Europe, surrounded by so much history dating back thousands of years, but relatively speaking, the U.S. Civil War was not all that long ago. 150 years ago, right? Clearly for some, particularly in the south, the wounds are still fresh. But at some point Americans from all walks of life, on the left and right, are going to have to have an honest dialogue, not only about race, but gun control, and only then will things begin to heal.

Otherwise, things will only continue to get worse.
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I would not be surprised if he was trying to impress any random white supremacist group since he clearly planned the entire scenario.
He walked into a place of Worship knowing he would be safe as he acted out his evil deed targeting a kind, peace loving group and purposely left a witness to tell the story.
I have heard of instances where perpetrators of white supremacist attacks also had an online presence within white supremacist forums, always possible he wanted to prove something to his fellow internet fascists.
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Exactly, his face is already plastered all over the media.

This will drive the news for days. Forget that 60 plus people who have been murdered in Baltimore since May. I can't remember the number for Chicago or L.A.

A news leak about pills found on him is not confirmed yet, but I'm guessing he's another Adam Lanza. Red flags all around him, but no one took them seriously.


President (not gonna bring us together) Obama wasted no time in pulling out his race card and pressing his anti-gun agenda.

And Fox News turned this into a case of anti-Christian persecution to support their agenda and claimed without evidence that the shooter had to be atheist instead of saying that it was based on racism, which it clearly was.

Also, 10 black people are killed by a white supremacist and you still bring up the murder rate in predominantly black communities out of faux concern? Shame on you.


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