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Old 12-29-2012, 08:47 PM   #436
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I volunteer to roll Nugent off a cliff.

Here's another one for you to roll.


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Old 12-29-2012, 08:50 PM   #437
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Yes, we want to take away all the guns. That's exactly what we want.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:16 PM   #438
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Here's another one for you to roll.

Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

~Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.
Do you care at all about the context of that quote? (hint: it's a similar context that gave birth to the 2nd amendment).
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Old 12-30-2012, 12:43 PM   #439
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Not sure that Iron Horse has ever cared about "context".
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Old 12-30-2012, 03:20 PM   #440
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This.
Is.
Not.
An.
Excuse.

At all.

I bet Australia has a black market for guns too and you see the stas there.

This excuse needs to die in the fiery pits of hell.
I did not imply it to be an excuse for not implementing gun control laws. My point is that no matter what laws are implemented, they will not stop regular citizens, killers and mentally ill people from obtaining guns in the black market and hence tragedies like this one from happening again.

In the end, gun control laws only alleviate the problem, but they do not provide a complete solution.
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Old 12-30-2012, 04:25 PM   #441
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I did not imply it to be an excuse for not implementing gun control laws. My point is that no matter what laws are implemented, they will not stop regular citizens, killers and mentally ill people from obtaining guns in the black market and hence tragedies like this one from happening again.

In the end, gun control laws only alleviate the problem, but they do not provide a complete solution.
Of course there is no complete solution. But I take issue with the black market argument. Firstly, where do you think most of the black market guns come from? Secondly, not everyone has the connections to know where to get a black market gun. How long do you thing it would take someone to find those connections? Most of the mass shootings are perpetrated by mentally ill individuals who are usually triggered by something recent, so if you eliminate the immediacy to obtain you might be able to reduce the numbers of these incidents.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:35 PM   #442
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:47 PM   #443
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In 2012, there were shootings in malls, movie theatres, places of worship, as well as schools. Putting armed personnel in schools will do nothing to address the larger issue of access to assault weapons.
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What a dumb article! That whole line about how they don't go into police stations because that's where the guns are sums up the problem with this article. One it's a lie, shooters enter police stations ALL the time. Two it really negates the issue that gun nuts NEVER want to address; police are trained on how to react. An armed teacher is not trained on how to deal with the actuality of killing an attacker. Untrained gun owners can often do more damage than good. Then there's the issue of gun storage in a school.

But seriously a horrible article. The "party of principle" part is by far the funniest part of that website.
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I did not imply it to be an excuse for not implementing gun control laws. My point is that no matter what laws are implemented, they will not stop regular citizens, killers and mentally ill people from obtaining guns in the black market and hence tragedies like this one from happening again.

In the end, gun control laws only alleviate the problem, but they do not provide a complete solution.
Nothing provides a complete solution. But making it harder for lunatics and idiots to get a gun is certainly one heck of a step towards the right way!

How many mentally ill people would find their way on the black market to get a gun, and how many can just randomly go to the fucking wall mart to buy bullets for their legally obtained gun?

Yeah, I'd say those numbers will be QUITE different. And that alone should prevent multiple cases of these lunatics shooting other people dead.
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Where is this black market? When this argument comes up it makes it sound like its just like your city's local farmers market for guns and drugs.

Most of society don't even know where you would go find these type of illegal guns anyway
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We don't have nutjobs shooting up schools, movie theatres, malls, etc. in Australia with guns acquired on the black market due to our strict gun laws. How many times do people have to cite Australia to point out that gun control WORKS?
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We don't have nutjobs shooting up schools, movie theatres, malls, etc. in Australia with guns acquired on the black market due to our strict gun laws. How many times do people have to cite Australia to point out that gun control WORKS?
We have a black market which is where nearly all guns which are used in Canadian murders originate. And guess what is the source of that black market? Guns from the US, which come across the border illegally.
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