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Old 12-17-2012, 05:30 PM   #286
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Grace McDonnell
Another victim, Grace McDonnell, 7, poses for a portrait on August 18, 2012.



Rachel D'Avino
Rachel D'Avino, 29, was a teacher's aide at Sandy Hook Elementary School, where she died trying to shield one of her students. Those who knew the Bethlehem, Conn., woman said she loved her job and adored working with children. She was working toward becoming a board-certified behavior analyst and wanted to work with children who had autism.

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Old 12-17-2012, 05:36 PM   #287
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I wonder if this is correct, It may have been reported

if she was in 'the room' and he shot each child multiple times, and I have seen that stated enough times that I believe it is correct, this story does not add up.

Normally I'd just ignore you. But Jesus, seriously?

Not even going to say what I really want to say. Maybe you should raise your doubts to the Newtown police, I'm sure that's their first concern right now. Maybe they should bring her in for an interrogation.
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why?
Because this country is going to hell.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:59 PM   #289
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So evidently his mother was a Mayan 2012er survivalist which explains the nature of the weapons. They need to really screen people. If your answer for getting a gun is anything other than, hunting, collecting, or home defense, the gun license should be denied.


As for semi-auto/automatic and clips that hold 30 or more, after doing some research, it's fairly easy to modify a weapon.

Kid at my school got in huge trouble for saying he wanted to start stock piling weapons for the zombie Apocalypse
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:00 PM   #290
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12 or 15 rounds is still too many.

The right to bare arms was put into place during the time of muskets. It was never intended to allow for weapons of mass death.

B b b but Tyrants! 2nd Amendment!!


It was also written at the time when a majority of the population hunted their food and still lived under the threat of Indian raids.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:07 PM   #291
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It's hard for many Americans as well.

I found out this morning that one of the murdered teachers was also one of my company's employees.
The culture of this country varies from region to region and even within states. For an interesting look at this subject I'd suggest reading the 11 Nations of North America by Colin Woodard American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America: Colin Woodard: 9780143122029: Amazon.com: Books

Sorry to hear, even if you didn't interact with her personally. Do you work for source4teachers? I think they do the subs in my district. I don't know if that was the company.
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It makes sense. What was going through their minds, it's just so painful to even have that thought.

Seeing their pictures-the little girl with the red hair, the little boy with the temporary New York Giants tattoo on his face. He was buried today. It's just overwhelming for me. But I want to look at their pictures and remember their faces.
I worked with that age group a few years ago and it is devastating to even imagine how they felt. That picture of the kids being lead out of the school with the one girl in tears broke my heart.
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So evidently his mother was a Mayan 2012er survivalist which explains the nature of the weapons. They need to really screen people. If your answer for getting a gun is anything other than, hunting, collecting, or home defense, the gun license should be denied.


re-read both of these posts and then tell me if you should own a concealed weapon in a country that's going to hell.
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re-read both of these posts and then tell me if you should own a concealed weapon in a country that's going to hell.
This country is on the road to another crisis not seen since the 1850s. The partisan divide in this country grows deeper every year. Look at the twitter comments of the people who had their football game get preempted for 10 minutes because of President Obama's speech. The vile and hate was unreal. We're not there yet, but give it 10-15 years.
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Indiana man who threatened school massacre was just bluffing: cops - Chicago Sun-Times Real funny bro
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This country is on the road to another crisis not seen since the 1850s. The partisan divide in this country grows deeper every year. Look at the twitter comments of the people who had their football game get preempted for 10 minutes because of President Obama's speech. The vile and hate was unreal. We're not there yet, but give it 10-15 years.


so let's arm ourselves?
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so let's arm ourselves?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying people need assault rifles and 60 round clips. A simple handgun or even a revolver isn't unreasonable.

When power was off for a week after Sandy and the home invasions and looting started, it would be smart to be able to defend yourself, your family and your home.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying people need assault rifles and 60 round clips. A simple handgun or even a revolver isn't unreasonable.

When power was off for a week after Sandy and the home invasions and looting started, it would be smart to be able to defend yourself, your family and your home.


i agree that a simple weapon isn't unreasonable, but that assault weapons are really unreasonable.
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i agree that a simple weapon isn't unreasonable, but that assault weapons are really unreasonable.
We need to reinstate the assault weapons ban in this country, that much is clear.

I heard people discussing the ban in Australia today at work. Evidently there was alot of gun violence in the 80s and 90s and it helped. Maybe some of the Aussie posters can shed some light on that later on tonight.
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Yeah, fully agreed on the asssault rifle ban. Honestly, though, at this point I'd really be happy to just see guns disappear altogether. There was the story from Indiana (though apparently he was bluffing? Jesus, whether he was serious or bluffing, I'm not sure which option would be more horrific/insulting). There's the story shared in here from that theater in Texas. In Las Vegas a couple days ago two people died in a shooting at a...hotel, I think. There's the story of the kid in Oklahoma plotting a shooting. And I thought I saw on Yahoo a mention of a shooting at a hospital in...Alabama, maybe? Those news stories all came up in THE LAST FORTY-EIGHT HOURS.

There's a lady my mom works with whose daughter is going through a contentious custody battle with her ex. She's had a restraining order against her ex, and yet her ex has a gun. Sometimes her and her ex do kid pickups/dropoffs at where the girl's mother and my mom both work. Better hope to god that the guy doesn't suddenly go into some crazy rage one day and decide to solve his problem with violence.

Last year there was a dispute in front of a convienience store down the street a few blocks from where I live. It ended with one man shooting another man in the store parking lot. It happened at the time of day when my mom would normally be driving down that very road to come home from work. Luckily, she happened to have that particular day off and was home. Don't want to think about what could've happened otherwise.

And I was freaked out at work all weekend. There's been shootings at malls. We have tons of gun magazines/books that people come in and buy all the time, and have had weird, creepy customers. It's a worry that lurked in the back of my mind. It's something that could very well happen.

These are the things gun rights people don't seem to grasp-this isn't just about your personal right to own a gun, this is an issue of safety for society at large as well. It's tragic enough when family and friends of the shooters die at their hands, but tons of innocent people who have absolutely no ties to the shooters, are dying, or are injured, too. With any other issue of national security that's been coming up in recent years, our rights to privacy, speech, search and seizure, etc., get restricted and people are told to just accept it and deal with it. Why are gun rights constantly exempt from this?

I really do not understand why we always bend over backwards to protect people's "right" to own all sorts of crazy weapons that no average citizen should ever be allowed to be anywhere near, and why they don't see a problem with people taking them into public places. I truly think anyone who refuses to even budge a bit on this gun issue and refuses to acknowledge that we need restrictions and bans on certain guns and that needs to look long and hard at all those children's faces and listen to their families talk. I cannot understand how people can still keep justifying our gun culture existing as it currently is after things like this. We can't keep doing this anymore. We just cannot.

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This.
Is.
Not.
An.
Excuse.

At all.

I bet Australia has a black market for guns too and you see the stas there.

This excuse needs to die in the fiery pits of hell.
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I know this is going to be very controversial here, but I honestly believe someone at every school should have access to some sort of firearm, be it on them or locked up somewhere in the school.
No. Don't agree with this at all. As others have noted, I know people like to think that if we just arm the "good guys" that the problem will be solved, but you DO realize that there's always the possibility that the "bad guys" will get to the guns first, right? Or the person may not be able to get to their weapon in time? Or may miss and shoot the wrong person? There's all sorts of potential for that to go wrong, too. And I've never touched a gun and don't want to. That's not a skill I should have to learn just to stay safe. Take care of the problem person and situation in the first place and us "good people" won't have to take up arms.
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