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Old 12-17-2012, 01:15 PM   #256
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Nancy Lanza could have bought that assault rifle on the black market!
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:20 PM   #257
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While I see your point I don't think having to reload after 12 or 15 rounds would slow down someone that determined. It's not like Tucson shooting when there were enough abled bodied people to overtake the gunman.

The media NEEDS to stop glorifying the shootings and acting like the death toll is some xbox achievement.
12 or 15 rounds is still too many.

The right to bare arms was put into place during the time of muskets. It was never intended to allow for weapons of mass death.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:30 PM   #258
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Right to bear arms was for citizen militias, that's my understanding. We don't have those in 2012, of course there are plenty of paranoid people who think we should. Maybe more now than ever.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:33 PM   #259
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Right to bear arms was for citizen militias, that's my understanding. We don't have those in 2012, of course there are plenty of paranoid people who think we should. Maybe more now than ever.
Exactly, and why was there a need for a well-organized militia? To overthrow a potentially tyrannical government.

We are in 2012. Americans spend, what, 1 trillion dollars a year on their military? They have by far the best and most professional military in the world. It's not even close. You mean to tell me that a militia with Bushmasters and Glocks is going to overthrow the US government and military? In order for the 2nd amendment to really have effect as to its purpose, you would have to allow the citizenry to have nuclear warheads.

Normal Joe Shmoe citizens owning Bushmasters is inconsistent with both a literal reading of the 2nd amendment (that was not a weapon available then) and with the purpose of the amendment.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:46 PM   #260
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If we can stop 9 out of 10 of these, we should do so. Not being able to stop 10 out of 10 is not a reason to settle.
that suggest 8 out of 10, might not be worth it

most police chiefs seem to be pretty happy if they can get their murder stats down 10%

if we can stop 5 out of 10?
if we apply that same number we would have 10 dead first graders instead of 20.
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I think owning Bushmasters and Glocks is something done for ego gratification, and because people think they're "cool". Boys (and girls) with their toys. After that Chiefs player did what he did, I heard about some survey that concluded that 75 % of NFL players own multiple guns. I would guess that many are assault weapons. Most of these guys have so much money that they start competing with each other over cars, jewelry, and yes guns too. That ESPN special about broke athletes showed how they compete with each other and go broke doing it. I think plenty of people who are not pro athletes are doing the very same thing. Competing with others, collecting these things as some sort of gratification. Collecting things as a hobby is fine, but I just don't get collecting guns.

They get bored with boring guns, they want the exciting stuff.
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I don't know how many guns I own.

I only bought about 1/3 of them myself. The others were handed down to me when older relatives passed on. They (the guns not the dead relatives) are in the closets or drawers in one of my unused back rooms. I almost bought a locking gun cabinet. I have a 5 foot tall cd cabinet. I am going to buy some hardwood and reinforce it and convert it to a locking cabinet.
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guns and vinyl lps hold their value,
VHS porn, not so much
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I have one friend who has purchased guns. I think like three or four hunting rifles and a pistol. He keeps all of them in a safe, at least.
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It's hard for many non-Americans to understand the gun culture in the U.S.:
It's hard for many Americans as well.

I found out this morning that one of the murdered teachers was also one of my company's employees.
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do we quantify them more if we have a personal relationship or link?
, is it more tragic?

everyday we read or hear of senseless killings,

I know when my sister died, yes it was much more tragic than any other death

each death it tragic beyond comprehension to those most closely related

but most times we are indifferent, this time - 1st graders and the number 20, some people even put down their coffee and hesitated before replying to a text
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Sure it is. To say it's not is simply condescending.
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I have one friend who has purchased guns. I think like three or four hunting rifles and a pistol. He keeps all of them in a safe, at least.
if you came to my house I would put my guns in a safe, too.
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It doesn't change how I feel, it was just painful (and yet somewhat morbidly interesting) to see how the tentacles of a tragedy can reach far, the degrees of separation.

PhilsFan knew someone who had a relative die. I have another Facebook friend whose cousin's child died. And then this substitute teacher who works part time for my company.

I just mentioned it because I was thinking about it, logging in this morning and seeing the email from our CEO.
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but most times we are indifferent, this time - 1st graders and the number 20, some people even put down their coffee and hesitated before replying to a text

i never openly sobbed at any point after 9-11 the way i did this morning when i listened to Mika Brzezinski list the names of the 20 children and the things they liked (baseball, jumping on the trampoline, a new pink dress bought for the holidays). and i knew people who died in 9-11, as well as people who literally ran out of the towers as bodies fell like sacks of potatoes all around them.
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