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Old 12-16-2012, 10:49 PM   #226
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The idea of my high school principle having a gun would have scared me silly.
why?
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:15 PM   #227
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Sometimes, like on Friday, I wish I could withdraw from the human race. So very disturbing. Idiots.

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Oh, the same delightful folks who sent out their eloquent tweets after the election was called, I'm guessing.
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:43 PM   #228
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I don't trust any figure under constant stress to have access to a gun, but especially not that guy.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:19 AM   #229
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I don't want to live in a world where SCHOOLS are armed. Fucking SCHOOLS.

Especially because, y'know, your average principal is not exactly trained to identify targets and neutralise them under extreme stress and pressure. That's the preserve of specially trained law enforcement and military members. Seems to me your average school shooting tragedy would just be made worse, not better, if it turned into a shoot-out.
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Maybe it's because were all hippies and just love each other so much.
Pretty much just this.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:35 AM   #231
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I'm watching the local news. The top story? My friend speaking at a vigil, talking about his dead cousin. The second story? People in this state sprinting to gun stores to stock up.

This country is entirely too fucked up.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:36 AM   #232
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I want to apologize to mysteriousjen and everyone else here who may have Asperger and/or knows someone else who does.

Say, an everyday stranger who lives in the city as you, probably couldn't tell if someone had Aspergers, bipolar, or whathaveyou... they'll probably just pick up there's something strange about that person, and think nothing more of it.

But I think the idea of stigmatizing people/persons is a general human fallacy. Asperger can get stigmatized, but so can "mental illness." I mean, what do people mean by "mental illness"? People suffering from depression, bipolar, anxiety, phobias, or schizophrenia? Lump them all into the same category?

Thanks for the apology, i just dont want to see a whole community of kids and families demonised when we are grieving for the loss of these innocent kids as much as anyone.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:55 AM   #233
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Shooting at a movie theatre in San Antonio. Two injured, including the shooter, are the initial reports.

Fuck.
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Old 12-17-2012, 02:52 AM   #234
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As I've explained before, in Israel we have armed security guards and bagage checks outside all public buildings: banks, cinemas, shopping malls most office buildings and schools. We also have bagage checks at every entrance. This is for protection and deterence.

This morning there was a shooting outside a building in Bnei-Brak which could have ended a lot differently if there was no guard outside.

Bnei Brak security guard shot; suspect nabbed - Israel News, Ynetnews

If some people are so determined to hold on to their weapons then at least put armed guards outside buildings to make it lot harder for the maniacs to gain access to the areas they want to target. This will help save lives.

A very good day to all of you and please stay safe.

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Old 12-17-2012, 05:44 AM   #235
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Arming teachers will only serve to increase the number of scenarios where a large scale massacre can be exasperated. Hypothetical scenario 1: a group of several people rampage through a school with knives. A teacher attempts to shoot the assailants. The teacher manages to take out one, but the others are able to restrain him/her. The assailants now have a gun in their possession. Hypothetical scenario 2: a group of high-school students intent on carrying out a mass-murder and knowing there is a gun on the school premises, take a hostage (a pupil or member of staff) and threaten to kill them unless they are given the gun. Basically what I'm suggesting is that the knowledge there ARE guns within school, will encourage behaviour to obtain those firearms by disturbed individuals who do not have firearms to begin with. It's a stupid ass idea.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:35 AM   #236
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This is certainly a tragedy. But, as has been noted, the shooter acquired the weapon from his mother. What new law could have prevented this?
Here's one:

Owners of guns must have a gun safe, subject to periodic police inspection, that guns are kept locked in at all times. If an inspection reveals that the safe is not up to spec, or if a weapon used in a crime is traced to a safe that was not locked, the owner of the gun will be subject to a hefty fine, repossession of any other weapons and their gun license will be revoked for at least 5 years.

Another one, since apparently Adam Lanza bought plenty of ammo online: heavily tax bullets for civilian purchase. Boxes capped at 12 rounds, $100 a box (minimum), limit one box per purchase, and in order to purchase more bullets you have to bring in your spent casings. No one needs hundreds of bullets at once. Want to target practice? Go to a range and shoot all you want. Going hunting? If you can't bag a deer with one clip, you need more training.

That's a start.
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I grew up about 20 miles away in a small New England town much like Newtown - this is absolutely unbelievable. I happened to be here in CT for the past week and the last few days are much like a nightmare - my prayers go out to everyone. I have an employee whose sister is in an adjoining town's Volunteer Ambulance squad and she said the carnage was beyond describable.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:29 AM   #238
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I have to be honest, all these suggestions that the principal/teachers should have been armed sound completely insane to me.

First of all, it is completely divorced from what actually happened in that school. The principal, along with the assistant principal and school psychologist I believe were in a meeting when the gunman arrived and blew his way through the front doors with the assault rifle. The three women ran into the hallway to see what the commotion was and were immediately mowed down by said weapon. Where in this scenario do you see the principal having a properly stored and locked Glock or M4 or whatever your weapon of choice would have been useful? Nowhere. She'd have been dead long before she got to her office to even retrieve it. Unless you want the woman to be packing 24/7, in which case you'd be hoping that she would have had the presence of mind to run into the hall, gun blazing and accurately shoot the assailant who was, by the way, wearing a bulletproof vest. And that she'd be faster at doing that than he would be at discharging his semi-automatic assault rifle. Hello? What alternate reality is this? Is she Rambo?

With respect to teachers being armed, my observations are as follows:

1. As if people would feel more secure with their children being in the crossfire? So we have a deranged gunman shooting with an assault rifle from the door of the classroom, and the teacher apparently has a) the presence of mind and b) the time to grab her properly stored and LOCKED weapon, and then start shooting from the front of the class over the kids at the gunman who is most likely in a bulletproof vest? Because that would not at all cause extra casualties. We all had teachers who were practically blind old ladies - this is who you want to take your chances with?

2. It would be very helpful for the criminal element to know that if they want easy access to a stash of guns, breaking into an elementary school on the weekend and raiding the principal's office and classrooms for guns is the way to go.

3. Any lunatic who is intent on killing people could easily enter the school unarmed knowing he has access to arms inside.

4. No teacher and no principal WOULD EVER SNAP due to their own mental instability, domestic abuse at home, being fired from the job, etc, etc and then use one of the guns easily at their disposal.

5. There would never be an accidental discharge or curious/clever kids finding the bullets and the gun.

I honestly have to say that the mind boggles. Especially when we have an example of the mother in this case, an experienced markswoman apparently armed to the teeth and she was the first one to die. But thank God she was armed and capable of self-defence with her Bushmaster.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:37 AM   #239
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I have to be honest, all these suggestions that the principal/teachers should have been armed sound completely insane to me.
I find those suggestions about as logical as suggesting all schools should have their own nuclear missile plan as to deter potential violence.

I completely agree with your further assessment.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:38 AM   #240
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Stop making sense, Martina. No room for that in this discussion.
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