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Old 12-16-2012, 04:13 PM   #196
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You know, of all this talk about "mental illness", I haven't read one mention about Asperger syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism, characterized by "characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, alongside restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests", while its linguistic and cognitive development are preserved. Social behavior is described as awkward at best, and a lack of empathy is indicated. At least, this is what Wikipedia says.

The New York Times and NBC News have mentioned the shooter is said to have Asperger syndrome.



Can people differentiate autism from "mental illness"? Because if this incident is connected with the shooter's Asperger syndrome, then all the "mental illness" arguments are moot.

Can people please separate aspergers from mental illness. Aspergers does not predispose you to violent outbursts or psychotic killing sprees. There is alot of mis information out there at the moment that is going around about aspergers and as someone that lives and breathes autism/ aspergers everyday, this is really upsetting. Kids that have aspergers / autism may be quiet or seen as weird or different and they experience bullying every day. This incident is going to make life much harder for them.
Didn't they just take autism/aspergers out of the DSM?

I'm worried about how kids will react in school tomorrow. We had an emergency lockdown drill scheduled for the lats month. I wonder if they'll cancel it so they don't panic anyone.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:19 PM   #197
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I think what happened is that Asperger's was removed and will now fall under the Autism Spectrum Disorder, although I'm not sure if that's been formally announced as 100% sure yet.

Good luck tomorrow. I feel absolutely awful for all kids and teachers and school staff who have to face that.
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Autism is a mental illness, but Aspergers/Autism should not predispose someone to such violent behaviour.** Comparing those disorders to something that would cause this is like the difference between a cold or seasonal allergy to a cancer. Huge difference.

The media has been very irresponsible in reporting this, although that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. They tend to latch on to one small facet and focus on that and repeat it over and over, without ever fully explaining the implications. I did hear on Friday that the shooter's brother said he also had a personality disorder (a whole other kettle of fish, but far more understandable than Asperger's alone, but who knows if that is even accurate).

This is a pet peeve of mine, when the media reports on any new psychological studies. They invariably do not tell the whole story (including the intent of the researchers and the scope of the results) and then the public calls BS and it makes the entire field look bad. People who are interested would do better to learn how to read academic articles and judge for themselves.

**again, a matter of degree. I have a friend with a brother who has autism and is very low functioning. He sometimes becomes violent, lashing out at caregivers, but he would not have the cognitive capacity to plan and carry out something on a larger scale.
Autism is most certainly NOT a mental illness. I would call it a learning disability or cognitive impairment, but not a mental illness. To call it a mental illness equates it to something like schizophrenia which is not the case. I know that's not what you were implying, but I want to clarify it for people who are not as familiar or well read on the subject.

I've worked with very low functioning kids who lashed out on me and other caregivers by biting, hitting, spitting, or kicking. They certainly didn't know any other way to express their frustration or what they were feeling and certainly did not do it maliciously.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:21 PM   #199
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I think what happened is that Asperger's was removed and will now fall under the Autism Spectrum Disorder, although I'm not sure if that's been formally announced as 100% sure yet.
Yeah it will be interesting how kids are going react tomorrow. I certainly don't look forward to it. I'll have to be extra vigilant to prevent bullying.
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Autism is most certainly NOT a mental illness. I would call it a learning disability or cognitive impairment, but not a mental illness. To call it a mental illness equates it to something like schizophrenia which is not the case. I know that's not what you were implying, but I want to clarify it for people who are not as familiar or well read on the subject.

I've worked with very low functioning kids who lashed out on me and other caregivers by biting, hitting, spitting, or kicking. They certainly didn't know any other way to express their frustration or what they were feeling and certainly did not do it maliciously.
Sorry, you're right, it's formally known as a pervasive developmental disorder. For the record, there has been talk of classifying schizophrenia similarly. Anyway, yes, I was using a blanket term, and I'm sorry for any confusion that caused.

Eta - exactly, it's just a reaction to unpleasant stimuli in their environments.
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I want to apologize to mysteriousjen and everyone else here who may have Asperger and/or knows someone else who does.

Say, an everyday stranger who lives in the city as you, probably couldn't tell if someone had Aspergers, bipolar, or whathaveyou... they'll probably just pick up there's something strange about that person, and think nothing more of it.

But I think the idea of stigmatizing people/persons is a general human fallacy. Asperger can get stigmatized, but so can "mental illness." I mean, what do people mean by "mental illness"? People suffering from depression, bipolar, anxiety, phobias, or schizophrenia? Lump them all into the same category?

Here are an interesting notes from @westwingreport:

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Secret Service report (from 2002) on mass shootings. 17% “had been diagnosed with mental health or behavior disorder prior to the attack”

The 2002 Secret Service report on mass shootings: most attackers never had a mental health evaluation, though 78% had suicidal thoughts

Mass shooters, the report says, don't suddenly snap. It builds up; the more they plan, the more likely (from legal standpoint) they are sane
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Even if the US enforces stringent measures on gun control, a black market for guns will always be present. Access to guns will always be facilitated regardless of what laws are implemented. Money and black marketed items go hand in hand to break stringent laws, very similar what happens with countries with foreign currency exchange controls.
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I bet Australia has a black market for guns too and you see the stas there.

This excuse needs to die in the fiery pits of hell.
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And that's all the 2 cents I think I can give.

The past few days have been a horrible tragedy for victims and their families, as well as this nation.

It does no good (and I'm at fault for this too) to rationalize and attribute cause to whatever people or issue, because some groups of people who were never involved are going to get the brunt of these recent events.
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I think what happened is that Asperger's was removed and will now fall under the Autism Spectrum Disorder, although I'm not sure if that's been formally announced as 100% sure yet.

Good luck tomorrow. I feel absolutely awful for all kids and teachers and school staff who have to face that.
DSM-5 won't be published until spring, I think, but Asperger's is going away. Autism Spectrum Disorder is getting a broader definition and will include most individuals with Asperger's. There is also a new category called Social Communication Disorder that describes those without repetitive behaviors. It is not considered part of the autism spectrum.
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Really good and important read here:

I Am Adam Lanza's Mother
That was a good read - until this blogger points out Liza Long's shortcomings on her blog:

Want the Truth Behind “I Am Adam Lanza’s Mother”? Read her blog. | Sarah Kendzior
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My god, it seems another mass school shooting was thwarted, in Oklahoma, at practically the same time as the Connecticut shootings, when a classmate of the guy who was going to do it reported him.

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Hours after the bloodshed at a Connecticut school, police stopped what would have been a second mass school-shooting on Friday, arresting an Oklahoma teenager plotting to kill dozens of his classmates.

Sammie Eaglebear Chavez, 18, told friends at Bartlesville High School that he wanted to lure their schoolmates and teachers to the gym and then open fire, according to officials.

He also claimed to have explosives he planned to detonate once police arrived.

A classmate overheard Chavez scheming on Thursday and cops arrested him early Friday before he could carry out his plan. A judge in the small city of Bartlesville, which lies about an hour north of Tulsa, ordered that Chavez be held on $1 million bail.

Investigators believe Chavez owned a Colt .45 handgun and had been researching how to obtain explosives and higher-powered firearms. He also frequently discussed the 1999 shootings at Columbine High school.

The motive for the plot was not immediately known. Investigators do not suspect the scheme was linked to or inspired by the shooting in Newtown, Conn., that left 20 children dead.
Read more: The same day as Connecticut gun rampage, Oklahoma student was caught plotting mass shooting: police - NY Daily News
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The Anarchist Soccer Mom: Thinking the Unthinkable

I live with a son who is mentally ill. I love my son. But he terrifies me.


I think this may have been posted earlier, but I'm leaving it here for anyone who missed it.
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So tell me, why does anyone need 47 guns? This is sickening.


News from The Associated Press
Just saw this. I live way too near here. That article says that it was nothing to worry about, but I'm worried anyways. I don't even see the point in bothering with trying to have a family right now. This is slowly killing me.
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This.
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Thank you. In what universe do we simply just shrug and give up because we'll never be able to completely solve a problem?
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