unforgettableFOXfire
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I've also heard the argument that souls in heaven have no gender, so why be preoccupied with that here on earth? If love is transcendent, and people can love each other for their humanity which is nonessential to all their physical/accidental elements, then there shouldn't be any reason to limit who can love whom based on those same accidental elements: race, physical ability, nationality, religion, personal interests, sexuality, etc.
I'd also note that there's no slippery slope between homosexual union and polygamist unions. Both old Hebrew and Islamic cultures, part of the Judeo-Christian tradition, have religious laws supporting polygamy. I doubt that they're disallowed from the positivist secular society because of a secular stance on love as much as the potential for misuse and harm among a private social dynamic exceeding two individuals. If you apply misuse and harm to the unions of a couple (male male, male female, female female) I think you'd have an exceedingly hard time justifying that two of those three pairs would be more harmful to the constituent individuals than the final male-female pair.
Further, if we just appeal to theological/traditional elements as an aside from our positivist/secular elements, it should be noted that adultery applies only to the acts of a married woman. Our culture obviously does not support the notion that only the woman has responsibility re: marital infidelity, as extramarital relations tend have much greater ramifications than on just the three individuals most directly involved. If we can change our definitions on some of the boundaries of marriage based on changing views of love/harm/humanity, why is it that we can't accept that two people of the same sex are just as capable of loving each other as two people of the opposite sex?
I'd also note that there's no slippery slope between homosexual union and polygamist unions. Both old Hebrew and Islamic cultures, part of the Judeo-Christian tradition, have religious laws supporting polygamy. I doubt that they're disallowed from the positivist secular society because of a secular stance on love as much as the potential for misuse and harm among a private social dynamic exceeding two individuals. If you apply misuse and harm to the unions of a couple (male male, male female, female female) I think you'd have an exceedingly hard time justifying that two of those three pairs would be more harmful to the constituent individuals than the final male-female pair.
Further, if we just appeal to theological/traditional elements as an aside from our positivist/secular elements, it should be noted that adultery applies only to the acts of a married woman. Our culture obviously does not support the notion that only the woman has responsibility re: marital infidelity, as extramarital relations tend have much greater ramifications than on just the three individuals most directly involved. If we can change our definitions on some of the boundaries of marriage based on changing views of love/harm/humanity, why is it that we can't accept that two people of the same sex are just as capable of loving each other as two people of the opposite sex?