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Old 10-13-2011, 09:30 PM   #1
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Margaret Thatcher and the new conservatism (from 1975)

Like it or loathe it, this speech really was ground zero for a new type of conservative politics. (Reagan followed her, and not the other way around.)

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I remember as a college student I had a history professor who was an admitted communist who hated capitalism, hated America and hated Thatcher. For our final exam, we had to write short essays on how evil Thatcher was and how she ruined the UK by privatizing the telephone companies, among other things. That's what comes to mind when I think of Thatcher.
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Well, I'm not quite old enough to remember that speech from the first time. I do have a vague recollection of her election as leader and it being a big deal because of her being the first female PM, and the early 1980s when her name was mud in Ireland due to the hunger strikes.

I am not really a Thatcherite anymore but your college professor should really have sampled life in the UK in the 1970s. It wasn't a hell of a lot of fun. The 1980s were a distinct improvement, for most people.
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I remember as a college student I had a history professor who was an admitted communist who hated capitalism, hated America and hated Thatcher. For our final exam, we had to write short essays on how evil Thatcher was and how she ruined the UK by privatizing the telephone companies, among other things. That's what comes to mind when I think of Thatcher.


Although I'm not particularly fond of the fact that this history professor forced his students to subscribe to his views and not let them make up their own minds.

That said, I have a less than positive opinion of Thatcher, at least from what I've known.
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Well, by the way I described that professor, she was clearly a leftist radical and lived up to the stereotypes some people have of liberals in this country. For example, she actually told us there's nothing wrong with communism and the U.S. media told lies about the Soviet Union. I felt like asking her if the gulags were all lies too, but I probably would've failed the class for going against her ideology.

So no, there was no way that professor would've thought in the smallest measure that Thatcher did some good for the U.K.
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Well, by the way I described that professor, she was clearly a leftist radical and lived up to the stereotypes some people have of liberals in this country. For example, she actually told us there's nothing wrong with communism and the U.S. media told lies about the Soviet Union. I felt like asking her if the gulags were all lies too, but I probably would've failed the class for going against her ideology.
She was right on that count, but defending the Soviet Union is pretty darned ridiculous. Gotta hate people who shove their views onto everyone, though.
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(Reagan followed her, and not the other way around.)
That's not true. Reagan was giving speeches like this since the early 60's, his campaigning for Goldwater, his governorship of CA, his radio addresses in the mid 70's, his first run for president in 76 and of course his presidency.

But cheers to Prime Minister Thatcher.

What a different and darker the world would be today without Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II and U2 stepping onto the world stage at the beginning of the 80's.
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What a different and darker the world would be today without Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II and U2 stepping onto the world stage at the beginning of the 80's.
And people like Lech Walesa.

Of course he's now supporting OWS so I guess he's off the list.
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What a different and better world would be today without Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II and stepping onto the world stage at the beginning of the 80's.
Fixed.
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And people like Lech Walesa.

Of course he's now supporting OWS so I guess he's off the list.
Isn't he staunchly anti-abortion?
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Wouldn't be surprised - I'm pretty sure he's v. Catholic.
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Can't all of the afore mentioned people just go the fuck away.

It's a new century.

We need real people, with real ideas and real actions.
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What a different and darker the world would be today without Reagan, Thatcher, Pope John Paul II and U2 stepping onto the world stage at the beginning of the 80's.
Are you capable of discussing anything without spewing propaganda?

If, for the sake of argument, you were gay in the 1980s in Britain or America, would you make such a statement as the above?
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She was right on that count
Why the Berlin Wall to keep Soviet East Germans from fleeing to West Germany then? Why the Bolshevik government's Red Terror that killed or executed 500,000 suspected anti-communist Russians? Why the... oh never mind.
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Gotta hate people who shove their views onto everyone, though.
That's kinda the way with Communists though isn't it? Not really big on dissent. Which explains the gulags, forced labor camps, the KBG and... oh never mind.
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Why the Berlin Wall to keep Soviet East Germans from fleeing to West Germany then? Why the Bolshevik government's Red Terror that killed or executed 500,000 suspected anti-communist Russians? Why the... oh never mind.

That's kinda the way with Communists though isn't it? Not really big on dissent. Which explains the gulags, forced labor camps, the KBG and... oh never mind.
I already know how this is going to be answered. Vlad is going to say the Soviet Union's system wasn't true communism.
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