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Old 10-13-2011, 10:45 PM   #16
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:52 PM   #17
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Why the Berlin Wall to keep Soviet East Germans from fleeing to West Germany then? Why the Bolshevik government's Red Terror that killed or executed 500,000 suspected anti-communist Russians? Why the... oh never mind.

That's kinda the way with Communists though isn't it? Not really big on dissent. Which explains the gulags, forced labor camps, the KBG and... oh never mind.
Since when did I ever support the Soviet Union? I, like the vast majority communists, despise Stalin and all the leaders that succeeded him.

Would you care to define communism for me?

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I already know how this is going to be answered. Vlad is going to say the Soviet Union's system wasn't true communism.
It wasn't even socialism, state capitalism is the best way to describe it. So, yes, you are right that I was going to say that.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:58 PM   #18
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Are you capable of discussing anything without spewing propaganda?

If, for the sake of argument, you were gay in the 1980s in Britain or America, would you make such a statement as the above?
That's another of your hypotheticals but yes, I'd say gays are better off in free, and until recently, economically thriving democracies than living under the communist regimes that these 3 leaders (minus U2, don't you have a freakin' sense of humor at all) ushered into the dustbin of history.



It's a common belief among conservatives and quite defendable as more substantive than mere propaganda.
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That's another of your hypotheticals but yes, I'd say gays are better off in free, and until recently, economically thriving democracies than living under the communist regimes that these 3 leaders.
Again, not to be too pedantic, but there is no such thing as a 'communist regime'. Thought I'd just correct you on that. I would agree that being a gay would be better off living in the US in comparison to the authoritarian Soviet Union.
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Again, not to be too pedantic, but there is no such thing as a 'communist regime'. Thought I'd just correct you on that. I would agree that being a gay would be better off living in the US in comparison to the authoritarian Soviet Union.
Regime - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Definition of REGIME

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a : mode of rule or management
b : a form of government <a socialist regime>
c : a government in power
d : a period of rule

Are you going to tell me that communist states don't, and have never existed? Please don't say yes.
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I like that it seems that absolutely everyone in London knows that it's Trafalgar Square the first Saturday after she dies.

Anyway, both Reagan and Thatcher are hugely complicated. Anyone who thinks either are above criticism clearly have absolutely no - zero - understanding of the pickle we're all in today, or in the case of Reagan/US, the pickle your politics are in today. And anyone who thinks they were wholly the spawn of Satan also need to do a bit of a re-read. At the very least, Thatcher did claw Britain out of the dark, and Reagan was, at the very least, a great figurehead and 'leader' for the US, certainly re-established a great confidence in 'America'. But their actual achievements in office, and legacy beyond - complicated.

It's interesting though that in the US, Reagan is deified, almost untouchable, with the mythology waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond the reality (and in such a short time), while in the UK, you can pretty much only whisper Thatchers name, and to be tagged as a fan, or worse, 'Thatcherite'... Excuse me sir, I think you should leave.
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Regime - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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Are you going to tell me that communist states don't, and have never existed? Please don't say yes.
They never have, there is no such thing as a communist state. Communism = a stateless, classless, moneyless society.

Socialism, which is the transitional period towards communism, however, does (in some cases, as there are numerous different tendencies that each propose a different path towards communism) have a state.

So you may be confusing the two words.
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You're right. Pay no attention to the flag's color, 5 pointed red star or hammer & sickle. They have no more symbolic meanings than our flag's 13 stripes or 50 stars.

My bad.
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The flag doesn't matter, the nature of the USSR was hardly socialist. I'm guessing you're one of those people who still staunchly believe that North Korea and China are socialist, am I correct in making that assumption?
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I'm completely ignorant when it comes to world politics so take this with a few grains of salt but to me it seems you're being super-technical vlad. Maybe pure communism never existed but I'm sure it existed in some way. And China is governed by the Communist Party! I would think if you surveyed 100 people just about all of then would say communism existed.
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China isn't even remotely communist.

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And China is governed by the Communist Party!
Yeah, and North Korea is a democracy.
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I'm completely ignorant when it comes to world politics so take this with a few grains of salt but to me it seems you're being super-technical vlad. Maybe pure communism never existed but I'm sure it existed in some way. And China is governed by the Communist Party! I would think if you surveyed 100 people just about all of then would say communism existed.
Heh, I'm not really being that technical as a society which lacks a class, state and money has never existed in this world at all. I understand what you mean that they're governed by a so-called Communist Party but the truth is that the nature of the political system is anything but.

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Yeah, and North Korea is a democracy.
Lil Kim gets 100% in every election so he must be doing something right.
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I'll just shut up because I'm way out of my depth. But do you see how people who aren't particularly well versed in international politics would think communism exists?
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I'll just shut up because I'm way out of my depth. But do you see how people who aren't particularly well versed in international politics would think communism exists?
Yeah, definitely. I personally don't mind if you ask questions like the previous, it's all a part of learning.
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