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Old 03-14-2012, 07:27 PM   #76
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Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.

Under current law, health plans in Arizona that cover other prescription medications must also cover contraception. House Bill 2625, which the state House of Representatives passed earlier this month and the Senate Judiciary Committee endorsed on Monday, repeals that law and allows any employer to refuse to cover contraception that will be used "for contraceptive, abortifacient, abortion or sterilization purposes." If a woman wants the cost of her contraception covered, she has to "submit a claim" to her employer providing evidence of a medical condition, such as endometriosis or polycystic ovarian syndrome, that can be treated with birth control.

Moreover, according to the American Civil Liberties Union, the law would give Arizona employers the green light to fire a woman upon finding out that she took birth control for the purpose of preventing pregnancy.

"The bill goes beyond guaranteeing a person's rights to express and practice their faith," Anjali Abraham, a lobbyist for the ACLU, told the Senate panel, "and instead lets employers prioritize their beliefs over the beliefs, the interests, the needs of their employees, in this case, particularly, female employees."

The sponsor of the bill told the committee that it is intended to protect the First Amendment right to religious liberty.

"I believe we live in America," said Majority Whip Debbie Lesko (R-Glendale), who sponsored the bill. "We don’t live in the Soviet Union. So, government should not be telling the organizations or mom-and-pop employers to do something against their moral beliefs."

Lesko's bill resembles recent efforts on the federal level to repeal the Obama administration's contraception mandate, which requires most employers to cover contraception with no co-pay for their employees. Obama's rule has a broad religious exemption that allows faith-based organizations to opt out of covering birth control and shifts the burden of coverage over to the insurer in those cases. But many conservatives, including Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), are not satisfied with the exemption and believe all employers should be able to opt out of covering any kind of health service to which they morally object.

Lesko's bill is different from the controversial amendment Blunt proposed, in that it differentiates between birth control used for medical reasons and birth control used to prevent pregnancy. If the new law goes into effect, it will force female employees who can't afford to pay full price for birth control to share private, sometimes embarrassing medical information with her employer in order to get her prescription covered.

Lisa Love, a Glendale, Ariz., resident, testified before the committee about her polycystic ovarian syndrome in order to make a point about how private and personal the issue can be.

"I wouldn’t mind showing my employer my medical records," she said, "but there are ten women behind me that would be ashamed to do so."

The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
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Outstanding.

It's as if the Republicans have decided that Obama must win and there ain't no stopping them now.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:45 PM   #78
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First of all, "according to the American Civil Liberties Union."

Second, I can't imagine many companies are looking to drop contraceptive meds for women.

Third, turning health care into a political football is reason # five hundred and forty three why health insurance should be bought by the individual and not acquired through their employer or government.

The other 542 reasons are buried somewhere in this thread for those interested.
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The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.
Arizona is crazy, but not batshit crazy enough to pass this.

Whoever introduced this bill is a terrible person.

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Second, I can't imagine many companies are looking to drop contraceptive meds for women.
Yes, agreed.

Which makes me wonder about the person who introduced the bill - does he honestly think there are employers who would go along with that? He must know of one. Must be a stellar place to work.
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Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill also makes it easier for Arizona employers to fire a woman for using birth control to prevent pregnancy despite the employer's moral objection.
*Headdesk* WOW.

The hell is up with Arizona lately? Seriously? Is the heat getting to you guys too much down there or something?
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I wonder what the unemployment rate is in Arizona. Must not be too bad, if they have time to spend on this stuff.

I actually believe in an religious exemption for RELIGIOUS institutions. Many Democrats do, Ted Kennedy did. Think that could be worked out for the best for all involved, if people were actually interested in that. Not in extending that to some vague all encompassing "moral objections" from mom and pop and every employer. That is very dangerous, and this AZ thing is just the beginning. I believe we live in America too, where women still have the right to medical privacy and the right to be treated with dignity. And to be treated like adults, not children. And not to be shamed about their adult private lives by mom and pop.

I wonder if they are concerning themselves with any moral objections to Viagra. Or vasectomies. Stuff like that.
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^ Remember, Viagra is never used for non-medical conditions, the way contraception is. It's only ever used to treat the grave physical suffering and harm caused by not being able to get it up like you used to. Let's not confuse that with elective, lifestyle "treatments" that are in truth only being pursued to benefit the patient's sex life.
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Is it possible that Arizona is surpassing Texas as the state moving backwards the fastest?
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^ Remember, Viagra is never used for non-medical conditions, the way contraception is. It's only ever used to treat the grave physical suffering and harm caused by not being able to get it up like you used to. Let's not confuse that with elective, lifestyle "treatments" that are in truth only being pursued to benefit the patient's sex life.
Well this may not be true. There are some doctors that have prescribed it for severe "circulation issues", BUT it's rare and very questionable. Years ago there was a controversy about this in the medical community, I'm not sure how prevelant this is today
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No problem then, just bring the boss a note from the doctor explaining you need a penile vasodilator for your pulmonary hypertension. Can't imagine why that would embarrass anybody.
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I would also imagine there would be plenty of doctors perfectly happy to write a note for a woman patient saying that they're taking the pill for some non-contraceptive use, even if that's not the case.
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No problem then, just bring the boss a note from the doctor explaining you need a penile vasodilator for your pulmonary hypertension. Can't imagine why that would embarrass anybody.
Exactly, that was part of the controversy was that there are circulation drugs that cost the same that aren't viagra and are approved for said issues.

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I would also imagine there would be plenty of doctors perfectly happy to write a note for a woman patient saying that they're taking the pill for some non-contraceptive use, even if that's not the case.
And this is part of the problem. Just like the issue above you have too many doctors that are willing to lie in order for it to get covered. When I was in the industry I would see doctors doing this on a daily basis.
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I would also imagine there would be plenty of doctors perfectly happy to write a note for a woman patient saying that they're taking the pill for some non-contraceptive use, even if that's not the case.
I would think so too. Just one among many other reasons that this AZ thing is a joke, even setting aside how offensive it is.

As for the religious liberty thing, I don't feel that my religious liberties are being taken away. Doesn't affect me personally but I still don't think so. Especially when you consider that the vast majority of Catholics use contraception, contrary to church teachings. Even with a religious exemption for religious institutions, I believe that medical non contraceptive use should be paid for and protected. And there are all kinds of possible problems and issues with that too.

I don't believe in politicizing the health of women or in controlling our health and personal lives, or in any sort of daddy state. It ticks me off. Daddy state=ok Nanny state/mommy state=not ok
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Sorry, Indy. You are mistaken.

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The ten-year number seems to jump only because the time frame for the estimate has moved, dropping one year, 2011, and adding another, 2022. Obamacare has virtually no outlays in 2011, because the Medicaid expansion and subsidies don’t start up until 2014, which means the shifting time frame drops a year of no implementation and adds one of full implementation.

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Third, turning health care into a political football is reason # five hundred and forty three why health insurance should be bought by the individual and not acquired through their employer or government.
That is a good reason, I think. Individuals choosing their own medical insurance policy without any mandatory policy forced upon them by their employer (or the government). Have the insurance companies offer a basic insurance of about $150/month which covers the basic things (for generic, medical necessary hospital admittance, visits to the GP, essential medication, etc.) with choices for additional coverage.
Have the insurance companies compete with each other, so the individual has an actual choice. It's still mandatory to be insured, but with competition costs can be lower (as well as the monthly premiums) and service will hopefully be important too.
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