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Old 12-06-2013, 08:02 PM   #556
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Much like with debt and deficits as well as health care where he once talked about how he wanted to set up exchanges to unleash the magic powers of the market and allow consumers to comparison shop between health plans in order to bring down the cost of health insurance, INDY only started to care on January 21, 2009.
Wrong.

Exchanges do not = a free market when "insurance" policies are MANDATED what they must offer, what they cannot offer, what they must provide at no charge, what they may not use to price policies (risk rating), etc, etc and only in a Leftist Utopia would compulsory purchase and compulsory coverages (maternity, rehab, contraception, etc) be described as a choice in a free market.

You want a free market? Require or provide catastrophic insurance and then give vouchers or tax credits for all other healthcare purchases and allow the market and providers to adapt to fill individual needs or preferences rather than the one-size-fits-all declarations of what K Sebelius, B Obama and the new IPAB imagine we need.
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Old 12-07-2013, 10:35 AM   #557
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Wrong. Exchanges do not = a free market when "insurance" policies are MANDATED what they must offer, what they cannot offer, what they must provide at no charge, what they may not use to price policies (risk rating), etc, etc and only in a Leftist Utopia would compulsory purchase and compulsory coverages (maternity, rehab, contraception, etc) be described as a choice in a free market. You want a free market? Require or provide catastrophic insurance and then give vouchers or tax credits for all other healthcare purchases and allow the market and providers to adapt to fill individual needs or preferences rather than the one-size-fits-all declarations of what K Sebelius, B Obama and the new IPAB imagine we need.

Actually, no, I want a single payer. It's much more cost efficient and gets better results. Everyone loves their Medicare.

It's gratifying to watch your Romney-esque scrambles away from the past. And that's a pretty crap description of the exchanges -- yes, there are now minimum standards that EVERYONE agrees with (covered by parents until 26, pre-existing conditions), but beyond that, it's hardly one-size-fits all. Yes, there are regulations to make sure that health plans are, actually, health plans and they meet minimum standards and aren't some snake oil, but there's regulation for all products, there's a reason Cheez Whiz isn't called Cheese Whiz.

The ACA is a Republican idea. Always has been. Until a black man got it passed.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:10 PM   #558
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Actually, no, I want a single payer. It's much more cost efficient and gets better results. Everyone loves their Medicare.
Except for the fact it's going broke, doctors are opting out and a sizable percentage of Medicare patients must buy Medicare supplemental insurance I suppose you're right. When it collapses we'll see how beloved it is.
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The ACA is a Republican idea. Always has been. Until a black man got it passed.

Ridiculous. A thinktank, Heritage Foundation, floated an idea to mandate health insurance because of the cost shifting caused by the uncollected bills of people showing up at emergency rooms with no intention of paying. Drawing a line from there to Romneycare to Obamacare is, well, ridiculous. Republicans were shutout of the writing of the ACA and no other GOP governor has experimented with Romneycare.
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Denial is a bitch...
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And nihilism is a great way to win elections.
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Old 12-08-2013, 04:25 PM   #561
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ObamaCare created a Medicaid time bomb | New York Post

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The good news, if you want to call it that, is that roughly 1.6 million Americans have enrolled in ObamaCare so far.
The not-so-good news is that 1.46 million of them actually signed up for Medicaid. If that trend continues, it could bankrupt both federal and state governments.
Medicaid is already America’s third-largest government program, trailing only Social Security and Medicare, as a proportion of the federal budget. Almost 8 cents out of every dollar that the federal government spends goes to Medicaid. That’s more than $265 billion per year.
Indeed, already Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid account for 48% of federal spending. Within the next few years, those three programs will eat up more than half of federal expenditures.
And it’s going to get worse. Congress has shown no ability to reform Social Security or Medicare. With ObamaCare adding to Medicare spending, we are picking up speed on the road to insolvency.
The Congressional Budget Office projects that, in part because of ObamaCare, Medicaid spending will more than double over the next 10 years, topping $554 billion by 2023.
And that is just federal spending.
State governments pay another $160 billion for Medicaid today. For most states, Medicaid is the single-largest cost of government, crowding out education, transportation and everything else.
So we had to blow-up our healthcare system to expand Medicaid.

THIS is the trainwreck reason and experience could predict. Not the website fiasco but the bankrupting of state's budgets, the death spiral of premium costs as healthy people opt out, the financial squeeze on providers that will lower the quality of health CARE, and the massive dump of employer provided health care (that has been delayed for obvious political reasons for 1 year).

But it's the law of the land !!
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Wow. An article in the NY Post written by someone from the Cato Institute! Checkmate!
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Wow. An article in the NY Post written by someone from the Cato Institute! Checkmate!
As usual, make it personal. Never address the specifics.
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As usual, make it personal. Never address the specifics.
How about we just stop with the hypocritical callouts. We are ALL guilty, you included, of glossing over specifics if we deem the source biased. Don't try and pretend that you always respond to every article, question, or argument on here with a point-by-point rebuttal.
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:14 PM   #566
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Melissa Harris Perry Likens "Derogatory Term" Obamacare To The N-Word | Video | RealClearPolitics

MSNBC's Melissa Harris Perry Likens "Derogatory Term" Obamacare To The N-Word

Speaking of bubbles; how about the Leftist media/academia bubble where howlingly false dichotomies and preposterous analogies, like in the cartoon above and the thoughts of MSNBC hosts, are treated as meaningful commentary.
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Melissa Harris Perry Likens "Derogatory Term" Obamacare To The N-Word | Video | RealClearPolitics

MSNBC's Melissa Harris Perry Likens "Derogatory Term" Obamacare To The N-Word

Speaking of bubbles; how about the Leftist media/academia bubble where howlingly false dichotomies and preposterous analogies, like in the cartoon above and the thoughts of MSNBC hosts, are treated as meaningful commentary.
Oh, and I suppose Fox News hosts & contributors and right wing talk show personalities never pass of howlingly false dichotomies and preposterous analogies as meaningful commentary, is that right?
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Melissa Harris Perry Likens "Derogatory Term" Obamacare To The N-Word | Video | RealClearPolitics MSNBC's Melissa Harris Perry Likens "Derogatory Term" Obamacare To The N-Word Speaking of bubbles; how about the Leftist media/academia bubble where howlingly false dichotomies and preposterous analogies, like in the cartoon above and the thoughts of MSNBC hosts, are treated as meaningful commentary.
"The leftist media/academia bubble"? Rather broad brush we're painting with there. I'm not even sure what that is ... I suppose cartoons only mean something when you post them?

I guess humorless-ness is no longer just for feminists.
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leftist media/academia bubble?

ooh, does this mean all well-educated people are leftist, and all leftists are well-educated? well gosh, you said it, not me... :makes oscar acceptance poses:
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I can't believe how conservatives bash at "academics" like that. They really sound like they are afraid of all kinds of intellect and education.

Oh wait, they are. Nevermind.
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