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Old 09-30-2011, 03:06 PM   #31
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mine is still $840 a month

with a $3600 deductible and then a 20% co-pay until $5000. per year.


Makes me feel slightly better about mine.
~$325/month (half of a custom, couples' plan), $1000 deductible each, 25% co-pay to $5000.
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Old 09-30-2011, 03:45 PM   #32
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My father's job situation changed recently, so we had to change insurance companies. My brother has a medical condition that calls for regular care, and his costs have not only skyrocketed, but the company's bullshit policy does not allow him to get care at his normal doctor, so he literally has to change everything he's learned in the past few years about caring for himself because this insurance company blows.

I'm angry. My instincts tell me to find someone to blame. If I followed these instincts, I'd make a great Republican voter.

in a GOP perfect world, the private sector would just cancel you and your loser family

the for profit company wants to collect about 300-400 a month, that is $4000 to $5000 a year in premiums, if you use between $500 and $1500 a year in costs, you are safe to renew and keep paying


If you start to costs $3000 or more per year, you would not have your policy renewed. free market, no one should be forced to provide a product of service to a segment of the public if they do not choose.
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How far (to the right) we've come as a nation, huh?

National Health Insurance Debate Under Nixon - YouTube

I wonder if anyone mentioned death panels?
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Yes, they called it a Health Security board. And if it worked as well to control health care costs as Nixon's Wage And Price controls worked to lower inflation we would have been screwed.

Nice seeing Ted Kennedy and Wilbur Mills together. The two biggest horn dogs in D.C. post JFK and pre-Clinton.

That was interesting, thanks for posting.
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Yes, they called it a Health Security board. And if it worked as well to control health care costs as Nixon's Wage And Price controls worked to lower inflation we would have been screwed.

Nice seeing Ted Kennedy and Wilbur Mills together. The two biggest horn dogs in D.C. post JFK and pre-Clinton.

That was interesting, thanks for posting.
I always find it's interesting to dig into the past when looking at the current vitriol flying around in Washington.

I wonder how the 2000s are going to be framed in history textbooks 50 years from now.

It shows you how good you have to be at framing the debate in Washington to be able to lead aptly, though. Obama, even coming from a reluctant supporter as myself, has completely failed to transfer the rhetoric from the campaign trail to the White House. I'm not even talking about real political gumption; he's just failed at the PR game miserably.

The post 1980 GOP doesn't get many compliments from me, but I will bow down to their public relations prowess any day.
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Old 10-04-2011, 01:12 PM   #36
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that's capitalism for you.
Germany is a capitalist country and their health insurance doesn't cost that much. If you took out private health insurance in the UK, such as Bupa, AXA or SimplyHealth, it would not cost as much as you guys are proclaiming.
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:05 PM   #37
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Germany is a capitalist country and their health insurance doesn't cost that much. If you took out private health insurance in the UK, such as Bupa, AXA or SimplyHealth, it would not cost as much as you guys are proclaiming.
Yes, but there are people in America, particularly the type that vote GOP, that think Europe is composed entirely of socialist countries, so they are not interested in learning anything from the study of a European country's health system, even when it's objectively better than the US's, as in Germany or France.

As you mentioned Germany specifically, I reckon part of the problem is that medical consultants are vastly overpaid in America, whereas in Germany they are paid at a level that is certainly above the average salary, but not excessively so.

US medical consultants enjoy the highest salaries in the world, but the US is at this point far from being the wealthiest country in the world.
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Yes, but there are people in America, particularly the type that vote GOP, that think Europe is composed entirely of socialist countries, so they are not interested in learning anything from the study of a European country's health system, even when it's objectively better than the US's, as in Germany or France.
Well these people must be more stupid than a woodlouse. Someone needs to give them basic information on the modern western European country. I can't believe that Glenn Beck got into Yale. How can this be? He must have a severe personality disorder.

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As you mentioned Germany specifically, I reckon part of the problem is that medical consultants are vastly overpaid in America, whereas in Germany they are paid at a level that is certainly above the average salary, but not excessively so.

US medical consultants enjoy the highest salaries in the world, but the US is at this point far from being the wealthiest country in the world.
I'm all for highly gifted doctors being well paid, but I do believe that most doctors do not get into medicine for the money. They are far easier ways to earn megabucks than 8 years of studying.
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Someone needs to give them basic information on the modern western European country. I can't believe that Glenn Beck got into Yale.


Glenn Beck did not go to Yale in any sort of meaningful sense.

he went to Yale for once semester in 1996 as a non-degree special student while working at a radio station in nearby Hamden, CT before dropping out.

George W. Bush, however, did go to Yale.
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White House kills insurance program for long-term care - The Washington Post

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The Obama administration cut a major planned benefit from the 2010 health-care law on Friday, announcing that a program to offer Americans insurance for long-term care was simply unworkable.

Known as the Community Living Assistance Services (CLASS) Act, the program was intended to be purely voluntary and open to all working Americans. The program was to be entirely self-financed with the premiums participants paid. Obama officials said that presented them with a problem: If they designed a benefits package generous enough to meet the law’s requirements, they would have had to set premiums so high that few healthy people would enroll. And without a large share of healthy people in the pool, the CLASS plan would have become even more expensive, forcing the government to raise premiums even higher, to the point of the program’s collapse.
The smartest administration in history just now figured out what critics have been saying for 2 years. By the way, economic principles apply to the entire healthcare act but they'll never admit that.
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The smartest administration in history just now figured out what critics have been saying for 2 years. By the way, economic principles apply to the entire healthcare act but they'll never admit that.
As a sidebar, are you planning on voting for eventual Candidate-Elect Mittens in 2012, who approved an individual mandate in his Massachusetts health care insurance reform law in 2006?

I hope you can still smell the fudge when you are holding your nose and pulling that lever in a couple of months, Indie.




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WASHINGTON -- The White House appeared to waffle Monday on the fate of a financially troubled long-term care program in President Barack Obama's health overhaul law, as supporters and foes heaped criticism on the administration.

At stake is the CLASS Act, a major new program intended to provide affordable long-term care insurance. Last Friday, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the administration would not proceed with the plan because she has been unable to find a way to make the program financially solvent.
Calmer heads have prevailed and once again the White House can demagogue against cruel, heartless Republicans more concerned with taxbreaks for the rich than seniors' long-term care.

After all, why be bothered with minor details like whether or not the program is "financially solvent." There's an election to be won.
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After all, why be bothered with minor details like whether or not the program is "financially solvent." There's an election to be won.
Good thing the Republicans never stoop to doing whatever it takes to get elected, huh. . .
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And they're always financially solvent.
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Calmer heads have prevailed and once again the White House can demagogue against cruel, heartless Republicans more concerned with taxbreaks for the rich than seniors' long-term care.


you're right.

one party believes in taxing rich people at slightly higher rates to finance health care for everybody.

the other party believes in keeping taxes low on rich people.



still, it is fascinating to have an administration that can admit it when things are unaffordable (endless war, drugs for seniors) without revenue increases. that was certainly lacking from 2001-2009.

seems that the notion of "shared sacrifice" exists only amongst the rapidly dying WW2 generation and those presently occupying Wall Street.

the GOP seems to operate by the golden rule of "go fuck yourself."
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