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Old 09-25-2013, 12:12 AM   #421
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C'mon, Irvine - do you think ANY politician is different?


Do you see ANY other politician acting this way?

It generally takes an egomaniac to run for office, but what Cruz is doing is of a different order altogether.
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Old 09-25-2013, 01:42 AM   #422
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Do you see ANY other politician acting this way?

It generally takes an egomaniac to run for office, but what Cruz is doing is of a different order altogether.
Honestly - they all seem to take a turn at this - especially when the opposing Party has the Oval Office. There's nothing new or shocking here.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:00 AM   #423
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Big business got their exemption... Funny how political allies of the White house always get their waivers and exemptions in the end. It too will be illegal.
I thought Obama was always anti-business? Someday you should get your talking points straight.

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Large companies are dropping coverage, cutting hours and hiring part-time only.

Rates are skyrocketing.
These are both highly exaggerated, and many have turned out to be complete fabricated bs that Drudge just made up.
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Large companies are dropping coverage, cutting hours and hiring part-time only.
This was the argument heard in Canada when the government legislated a 52-week maternity leave. That companies would respond by not hiring women in their 20s and 30s. Maybe at the margin there were a few that behaved this way, but guess what? As people accepted this to be the norm, it simply did not bear out the way you would think.
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bye, Ted. i hope your 21-hours of self-aggrandizement in the small minds of a few was worth it:


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Shortly after Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) 21-hour talkathon, the Senate voted overwhelmingly on Wednesday to advance a continuing resolution to keep the federal government open beyond Sept. 30.

The final vote was a unanimous 100-0 and even Cruz voted to begin debate. His lengthy speech was a call for a filibuster to end debate unless Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) agreed to make it easier for the GOP to block funding for Obamacare.

"The next vote we take will occur on Friday or Saturday and it will be on what is called cloture on the bill," Cruz said during his speech. "That is the vote that matters."
It was a conscious strategy by Republican leaders to steer clear of threatening a government shutdown over the unachievable goal of gutting President Barack Obama's signature legislative achievement. Procedurally they had an escape hatch: they were merely agreeing to debate the House-passed bill, which keeps the federal government running until Dec. 15 but denies funding to implement the Affordable Care Act.

"Invoking cloture on a bill that defunds Obamacare, doesn't raise taxes and respects the Budget Control Act strikes me as a no-brainer," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Democratic leaders intend to restore the Obamacare funds when debate ends with a simple majority vote, as Senate rules permit them to do. Cruz and other conservatives wanted Republicans to block cloture until Reid agreed to a 60-vote threshold for amendments.

"I know how this movie ends. I don't know all the scenes, but I know that at the end, we don't defund Obamacare," Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) told reporters in the Capitol. "It'll be a cold day in Gila Bend, Arizona" -- a desert town known for its scorching heat -- "before we defund Obamacare. Very cold day. In fact, there might be a snowstorm."

Senate Democrats' substitute bill would move funding to extend to Nov. 15, instead of the House's version which funds the government until Dec. 15. Reid said Democrats will also eliminate a House-passed provision to prioritize debt payments to foreign creditors and Social Security recipients in the event that the country's borrowing authority expires.

Both the House and Senate bills fund the government at $986.3 billion, roughly what the government is spending now after the automatic cuts ordered by the sequester. It's a victory for conservatives who lock in a lower spending level than most Democrats want. Senior Democratic aides insist the move was tactical and they'll still push to replace sequestration.

Cruz's vote for cloture after his call for a filibuster caused plenty of confusion. But there are multiple cloture votes. Wednesday's vote was about *beginning* debate. What Cruz wants is for 41 senators to vote against *ending* debate and moving toward final passage unless Democrats allow a 60-vote threshold to fund Obamacare.

"Cloture on the bill, the vote Friday or Saturday, is the vote that matters," he said.

If Republicans don't filibuster the cloture motion to end debate, and if both sides avail of their debate time, the Senate will likely wrap up the bill late this week or during the weekend. Then it'll be send to the House, where Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) will have little time to pass the Senate version or face a government shutdown.

The lights go out when the clock strikes midnight on Monday night.

Senate Unanimously Moves Toward Averting A Government Shutdown
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This was the argument heard in Canada when the government legislated a 52-week maternity leave. That companies would respond by not hiring women in their 20s and 30s. Maybe at the margin there were a few that behaved this way, but guess what? As people accepted this to be the norm, it simply did not bear out the way you would think.
from an article I posted in another thread.

#2 Since Obama has been president, seven out of every eight jobs that have been "created" in the U.S. economy have been part-time jobs.

I'm afraid this is "the norm" under this president's policies which Obamacare.
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It is the norm over here in the UK to. It's cheaper for businesses to have part time workers, better for profits, just you know the brilliance of capitalism...unless you think we should maybe introduce more protection for workers? Maybe even allow them to collectively bargain, but ah tis but a fairy tale.
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http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/25/news...tes/?hpt=hp_t2
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I watched Cruz and Lee, the Tea Boyz on C-Span, how pathetic and delusional
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Maybe people are talking about this in another thread, but has anyone tried to use healthcare.gov yet?

Let me tell you...what a joke.

Also, I really hope that there's a good explanation for all of this:

Blog: $634 million for Healthcare.gov website

EDIT: Oh and, FYI, I have been completely unable to sign up.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:50 PM   #431
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Local insurance providers have better websites than healthcare.gov.
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Also, I really hope that there's a good explanation for all of this:
Sean Hannity owns the website design company
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Local insurance providers have better websites than healthcare.gov.
Hey now, the site itself is just gorgeous

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Sean Hannity owns the website design company
I don't know if I wish that I knew enough about political commentators to get this joke or not...
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I don't know if I wish that I knew enough about political commentators to get this joke or not...
For starters, he's from Fox News. That's probably enough there.
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