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Old 07-28-2012, 06:08 PM   #376
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I think it's at least a little ironic that J.K. Rowling is a noted leftie.
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Old 07-28-2012, 09:25 PM   #377
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I think the problem with saying that the victims didn't choose their fate probably won't be convincing to a person who views healthcare as a service because people also don't choose to get cancer or a genetic default, etc.

And while it is commendable of the hospitals to be helping with reducing the costs, keep in mind that many of these individuals will require long-term if not life-long healthcare services as they enter the rehab process. I doubt that in 5 years you'll see the same charitable approach from the hospitals, doctors, physiotherapists, etc.
The free market will help them out. NObamacare won't.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:00 AM   #378
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Wow, can't believe this is real but it is. It isn't April Fools Day. Maybe just Fools Day

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Republican likens contraceptive mandate to Pearl Harbor, 9/11


A House Republican lawmaker likened the implementation of a new mandate that insurers offer coverage for contraceptive services to Pearl Harbor and the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States.

Pennsylvania Rep. Mike Kelly (R), an ardent opponent of abortion rights, said that today's date would live in infamy alongside those two other historic occasions. Wednesday marked the day on which a controversial new requirement by the Department of Health and Human Services, which requires health insurance companies to cover contraceptive services for women, goes into effect.

"I know in your mind you can think of times when America was attacked. One is December 7th, that's Pearl Harbor day. The other is September 11th, and that's the day of the terrorist attack," Kelly said at a press conference on Capitol Hill. "I want you to remember August the 1st, 2012, the attack on our religious freedom. That is a day that will live in infamy, along with those other dates.

Republicans cried foul when the Obama administration first announced the new rule, reasoning that it would force employers with a religious affiliation to act in a way that contradicts their beliefs. The outcry included criticism from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, and President Obama subsequently announced a compromise in which employers wouldn't be forced to offer insurance plans that cover contraception, but insurance companies would be required to offer coverage to women who wish to purchase it.

Republicans rejected the compromise, and subsequently attempted several times to advance legislation to reverse the mandate. The imbroglio contributed to Democratic charges of a GOP-led "war on women."

"This is a right that every American should be outraged, outraged about what this administration and Secretary Sibelius has set forth here on August the 1st," New York Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (R) said at the same press conference as Kelly. "And as Mike said, August the 1st is a day that we as American will look at as the largest assault on our First Amendment rights."

*UPDATE* Hawaii Sen. Daniel Inouye, a veteran of World War II, condemned Kelly's comments in a statement.
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No this can't be true, the war on women is something the left just made up.
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Old 08-03-2012, 12:12 PM   #380
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"I know in your mind you can think of times when America was attacked. One is December 7th, that's Pearl Harbor day. The other is September 11th, and that's the day of the terrorist attack," Kelly said at a press conference on Capitol Hill. "I want you to remember August the 1st, 2012, the attack on our religious freedom. That is a day that will live in infamy, along with those other dates.
Oh please!

Comparing contraceptive coverage to actual terrorism and the killing of innocents is absolutely exploitive. Unless, of course, you actually see the similarities, but that would also be asinine.

Seriously, the use of contraception does nothing heinous. I have yet to hear a reasonable argument against the contraceptives and why it shouldn't be covered.
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Misguided? More like bat shit crazy. But I guess he can't say that. Not to mention an insult to the victims of both tragedies.

Not to make light of it at all but I can't get the image out of my head of an attack of the giant contraceptives.



Sen. Daniel Inouye of Hawaii said Rep. Mike Kelly’s comments were “misguided.”

"I witnessed the attack on Pearl Harbor and had the privilege of serving in the United States Army during World War II," Inouye, 87, who will celebrate 50 years as a senator in January, said in a statement.

"It is complete nonsense to suggest that a matter discussed, debated, and approved by the Congress and the President is akin to a surprise attack that killed nearly 2,500 people and launched our nation into the second World War.”
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I hope the Republican members of Congress keep ranting against birth control all the way until November.

I'm actually very surprised that their leadership hasn't done a better job at muzzling some of these guys. It's such a loser of an issue for them, every poll is blatantly obviously against them and yet they keep staying the course. Wonderful news for anyone who doesn't want Romney elected.

Particularly affected will be older women who lived through the 60s as teenagers and young women - women of my Mom's generation for whom these comments bring up an especially strong reaction.
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the thing i got from that quote was the weird way of saying the dates. december 7th, september 11th, august...the first? i'm picturing some king, not a date. and whenever politicians like this open their mouths about this topic, i can't help but think they didn't pay any attention during sex ed class.
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I'm actually very surprised that their leadership hasn't done a better job at muzzling some of these guys.
I think it's very telling of the Republican leadership and why the only women leaders the party can seem to attract are the Sarah Palin's or Culter's of the world.
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Christ, what an asshole.
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"I know in your mind you can think of times when America was attacked. One is December 7th, that's Pearl Harbor day. The other is September 11th, and that's the day of the terrorist attack," Kelly said at a press conference on Capitol Hill. "I want you to remember August the 1st, 2012, the attack on our religious freedom. That is a day that will live in infamy, along with those other dates.
Really?

"My name is Mike Kelly, and I'm a complete and total dumbass."

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"This is a right that every American should be outraged, outraged about what this administration and Secretary Sibelius has set forth here on August the 1st," New York Rep. Ann Marie Buerkle (R) said at the same press conference as Kelly. "And as Mike said, August the 1st is a day that we as American will look at as the largest assault on our First Amendment rights."
It's cute how they care about rights when it affects them. They sure don't seem to give a crap about trampling on other people's rights.

And once again, of course, it's men coming out and making comments on this issue. 'Cause they're clearly the ones who will be the most affected. I feel for them, really, I do.
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i still don't see how this is an "assault on (their) first amendment rights" - more instances of the extreme right not knowing what's in the constitution.

the first amendment covers...
- free exercise clause
- establishment clause
- freedom of speech
- freedom of the press
- freedom of assembly
- right to petition

hmm, i see nothing in there about the "right to never wrap it before you tap it" (i can't think of a witty phrase about birth control pills)
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i still don't see how this is an "assault on (their) first amendment rights" - more instances of the extreme right not knowing what's in the constitution.

the first amendment covers...
- free exercise clause
- establishment clause
- freedom of speech
- freedom of the press
- freedom of assembly
- right to petition

hmm, i see nothing in there about the "right to never wrap it before you tap it" (i can't think of a witty phrase about birth control pills)
I think it's a somewhat reasonable constitutional argument that it interferes on the constitutional right to freedom of religion of an employer to not pay for their employees' birth control on religious ground.

That being said, freedom of religion (as well as speech and the press) aren't totally rigid, and they've never been treated as such. Legal action can be taken against some speech, and the good ol' "my religion says that I should smoke marijuana, so drug laws don't apply to me" argument doesn't tend to hold water in court. This issue to me is on really shaky constitutional ground, on both sides. And it is times like these when Constitution-worship bugs me.

The founders, of course, would probably not have envisioned a world where the government requires that employers provide a certain degree of health care to employees. But they also would not have envisioned a world with a health care system even remotely similar to the one we have right now. The libertarian argument is that it's absurd for the federal government to be involved in health care in any way, shape, or form. And there are definitely strong constitutional arguments in favor of that. It's silly to try to extract "framers' intent" as if the framers had one unified universal message to transmit to posterity, because they didn't, and they often disagreed, which adds to the murkiness. Again, to me, the Constitution is a very imperfect document no matter how you slice it.

I personally lean towards single-payer to get out of this issue and around the bureaucratic complexities of the Affordable Care Act in general, though I obviously don't have a problem with ACA's overall goal. One could argue that it is just as much an infringement on freedom of religion of whatever religious people actually have a problem with birth control for the government to be using taxpayer money to pay for birth control, but that's a wildly slippery slope. Amongst people who protested against the Iraq War in 2003, I'm sure that there were at least a few pacifists on religious grounds who objected to their taxpayer money being used for that war, and them suing the government would not have stopped the war.
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i still don't see how this is an "assault on (their) first amendment rights" - more instances of the extreme right not knowing what's in the constitution.

the first amendment covers...
- free exercise clause
- establishment clause
- freedom of speech
- freedom of the press
- freedom of assembly
- right to petition

hmm, i see nothing in there about the "right to never wrap it before you tap it" (i can't think of a witty phrase about birth control pills)
And where does it speak to the "right" to free contraception? Free being a misnomer since others would be forced to pay for it, possibly against the teachings of their faith.
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And where does it speak to the "right" to free contraception? Free being a misnomer since others would be forced to pay for it, possibly against the teachings of their faith.
did i say it was in the constitution? before getting all snarky, you could at least read my post before picking a two week old post to reply to.
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