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Old 03-29-2012, 10:06 AM   #151
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We pay through taxes, so it does cost us, but if something major happens, as it did to my family, we don't have to worry about losing our house. My grandfather doesn't have to worry about not having coverage because of pre-existing health conditions.

My son is nicknamed the "Million dollar baby" by our doctor. From what he told me the costs would be if we actually paid out of pocket, this is true.
taxes are the best. in all honesty, i wish i could give the govt 80-90% of what I make then I wouldn't have to worry about much. I trust them to make the best decesioins for me.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:13 AM   #152
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perfect example of I am sure of millions. We should have this. great health care that hardly costs anything and it is fair. I don't want to think about it more anymore either. I should probably go to Canada, as the USA is severly flawed.
Like Amy said, it's not free. It does cost us through taxes, both at the provincial and federal level. As healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction, the federal government transfers billions to the province every year to spend on healthcare.

Our healthcare is not perfect and there are problems, although the issues are different in each province. But it relieves a mental burden on all of us, who don't have to worry about losing our homes if we get sick. If my unemployed cousin, who is otherwise healthy, suddenly gets sick, he'll get quality healthcare no matter what.

And that is, in my view, one of the best things about this country.
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:14 AM   #153
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taxes are the best. in all honesty, i wish i could give the govt 80-90% of what I make then I wouldn't have to worry about much. I trust them to make the best decesioins for me.
I think you just gave some of us an aneurysm.

Out of curiosity, how old are you?
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Granted, the system isn't perfect. However, not having to worry about healthcare is such a blessing. We all have a health card, we show it when we go to the hospital/clinic, and then we are good. There are some tests that we are charged for. That being said, I never have to worry about going to the doctor because of finances. Sadly, I have some American friends that do.

I don't totally trust the government to always make the best decisions for me. However, in this area, I am pretty satisfied.

ETA: I just read BoMac's post. It is indeed one of the best things about this country.
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taxes are the best. in all honesty, i wish i could give the govt 80-90% of what I make then I wouldn't have to worry about much. I trust them to make the best decesioins for me.
Now I get it...
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Old 03-29-2012, 10:20 AM   #156
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Like Amy said, it's not free. It does cost us through taxes, both at the provincial and federal level. As healthcare is a provincial jurisdiction, the federal government transfers billions to the province every year to spend on healthcare.

Our healthcare is not perfect and there are problems, although the issues are different in each province. But it relieves a mental burden on all of us, who don't have to worry about losing our homes if we get sick. If my unemployed cousin, who is otherwise healthy, suddenly gets sick, he'll get quality healthcare no matter what.

And that is, in my view, one of the best things about this country.
I agree with you everyone wins because of govt efficiency. i am sure the problems are minimal. what i mean by free is, after i pay my taxes, which is like paying myself, i don't have to think about anything else.
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I think you just gave some of us an aneurysm.

Out of curiosity, how old are you?
old enough to know that industry and money are the root of all problems.
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Granted, the system isn't perfect. However, not having to worry about healthcare is such a blessing. We all have a health card, we show it when we go to the hospital/clinic, and then we are good. There are some tests that we are charged for. That being said, I never have to worry about going to the doctor because of finances. Sadly, I have some American friends that do.

I don't totally trust the government to always make the best decisions for me. However, in this area, I am pretty satisfied.

ETA: I just read BoMac's post. It is indeed one of the best things about this country.
too bad you have to pay anything out of pocket. we shouldn't have to just to live well.
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Now I get it...
noted, and sarcasim is quite hurtful. just because i want the govt to take care of me in all aspects doesn't make it wrong. if we just gave the govt all of our money, we would have no deficit, then we could move on with fairness, price controls, and heavy regulation.
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I don't mind at all. I have yet to have a test that needs to be paid for.
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noted, and sarcasim is quite hurtful. just because i want the govt to take care of me in all aspects doesn't make it wrong. if we just gave the govt all of our money, we would have no deficit, then we could move on with fairness, price controls, and heavy regulation.
This is what absolutely no one in this thread is advocating, and the slippery slope argument is absurd. Please drop your own sarcasm and make attacks against the actual arguments rather then rely on a sarcastic slippery slope.
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For all the negativity you sometimes get about it, the NHS here in the UK is (or should I say in England was) actually a very good system. 79% of respondents here say they have next day access to a Doctor, compared to around 53% in the US.

It's cheaper than pretty much any other comparable system, and the results are excellent on most measures with some notable exceptions (mainly the 30 day survival results for stroke victims which aren't very good, although they've unleashed an advertisement campaign about recognizing the symptoms of strokes and emphasizing the need to call 999). Pound for pound it's probably the most effective healthcare system in the world (outside those crafty Singaporeans), while the likes of Switzerland (spend over 10% of GDP on healthcare), France (9%) and Germany (10%) get better overall results in some measures, they do so at far greater cost. The NHS accounts for 7.5% to 8% of GDP in any given year.

Funny enough the country which spends most of it's GDP on healthcare is the US (13%), and it's overall results tend to be terrible.

I always have to laugh when I hear the US media talk about the NHS. They paint an almost Dickensian nightmare about it. Talk of death panels* and such, the while the system has it's faults it's relatively cheap and pretty much works. I can see a Doctor next day, and the only thing I've ever had to wait more than a couple of weeks on was an elective procedure to clean out my knee.

My Father is an illustrative example. In his late 20's he developed kidney problems leading to his requiring dialysis 3 times a week. He's received this free of charge, along with a kidney transplant which worked for 12 years and sadly has now failed, so he's back on dialysis and in line for another transplant. Outside of the actual pressure and worry of being ill, the administrative and financial side of his medical care is not a factor to him or my Mother. He simply needs to get himself to dialysis on his set days, and if he's unable to do so they'll send transport.

*this is in reference to NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence) which governs which drugs and treatments can be used in the NHS in England. NICE sometimes rejects drugs on the basis of their efficacy in end of life situation not being worth the money. i.e if you have Drug X which would on average give a terminal patient an extra 3 months at a cost of £300,000 pounds it might be rejected. But surely in the US, in a similar situation you'd be looking for someone to pay for the drug anyway?
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This is what absolutely no one in this thread is advocating, and the slippery slope argument is absurd. Please drop your own sarcasm and make attacks against the actual arguments rather then rely on a sarcastic slippery slope.
i'm not, my feelings are valid. i haven't been sarcastic at all yet. much of scandanavia is very socialistic and there societies seem so much better than ours its laughable.
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i'm not, my feelings are valid. i haven't been sarcastic at all yet. much of scandanavia is very socialistic and there societies seem so much better than ours its laughable.
But there's still a big difference between countries that are more socialistic and communism.
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But there's still a big difference between countries that are more socialistic and communism.
agreed, socialism IMO for me, is the happiest and easiest way to go.
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