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Old 09-13-2009, 06:00 PM   #46
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BVS, would you call that normal behavior?
I don't know, I didn't see it. Maybe he hasn't seen her in a long while. Who knows? I don't feel like speculating, and I honestly don't think we have enough information.
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:06 PM   #47
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So this guy was kissing his daughter in the pool and when he got out of the pool, a couple more times on the mouth?


What is that 3 or 4 times in one hour?
and it was not a simple greeting or goodbye kiss.

3 times in one hour, on the mouth. that look like romantic kisses (for no reason)

how many a day is that?

perhaps 30 - 40 kisses a day from a grown man, on the mouth

BVS, would you call that normal behavior?

Will he still be doing this to her when she is 12? 14?
If that's true it really does seem a bit much, but your calculation there is a bit silly, to be honest.

A kiss on the lips, even by the father, wouldn't be that unusual or going too far. As long as it's just that. And when in a pool, playing together or coming out of that, I don't think you can conclude from there.
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Old 09-13-2009, 06:24 PM   #48
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A kiss on the lips, even by the father, wouldn't be that unusual or going too far. As long as it's just that.
nothing suggest that is was just that

the reports are that he was not treating her as father kissing a child
but holding and kissing her what appeared to be romantic embracing and touching
both in the pool and outside of the pool


it seems that everyone here wants to speculate his behavior is normal and fine

I could understand that if the mother was taking the child for a nap and he kissed her goodbye,
and Brazil had a strict law 'no adults kissing children on the mouth',
and he was charged for that one goodbye kiss

this guy seems odd, I don't think he is kissing the child for her benefit,
but he is doing this multiple kissing and touching/embracing for his own reasons

what benefit is it to the child?
will she be more comfortable kissing other grown men on the mouth now?
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:37 PM   #49
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As I said, if it's true what the witnesses said it's questionable behaviour. But in the end everything remains speculation. Playing in the pool with a small girl might, to some, always look inappropriate. And in the end their accounts didn't justify his conviction.
I think all the news articles have been very vague on what he actually did. All the quotes are like, "Well, he did things to her I thought to be inappropriate." Yes, but what exactly? He kissed her on the lips multiple times. That's as specific as it gets. And that to the witnesses it seemed lingering etc. For me that wouldn't be enough information to conclude that he indeed is inappropriately treating his own daughter.
And kissing the own child repeatedly when having fun and playing around in a pool, honestly, isn't molestation.
I'm not saying he is innocent for sure. But neither could I say he is guilty. I dubio pro reo.
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I really don't disagree with what you are saying

I do understand there are not grounds to convict him of any molestation, based on the reports

I think this whole incident was based on the choices he made.
I don't fault the Brazilian authorities for charging him, I believe the authorities should act with the protection of the child in mind first.

I support laws that protect children at the expense erroneously changing adults, that will be later let off, over
laws that protect grown men's questionable behavior at the expense of children being harmed

If this man were my friend or a member of my family I would strongly advise him not to kiss the daughter on the mouth in public

at her age, I think the better suggestion would be to kiss her on the cheek (side of the face)
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Old 09-13-2009, 08:19 PM   #51
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Yes, it would have saved him much trouble if he were aware of the customs of the region and their sensibilities. I can't imagine him getting into any trouble had it happened in Italy. Though I cannot say for sure either.

I agree that the safety and well-being of children needs special protection, and may also trump the rights of adults.

And thanks for clarification where the cheek was located.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:28 PM   #52
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The paranoia spreads:

Innocent Bath-Time Photos Get Kids Taken Away From Parents - ParentDish

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Today's moment-of-pause has been brought to you by Wal-Mart and the city of Peoria, Az. Apparently, some photo-clerk vigilante, diligently on the lookout for child pornography, saw photos of kids during bath time and decided to call the cops, according to a story on Good Morning America.

Next thing the parents of these kids knew, the children were removed from their home. For an entire month. Mom got suspended from her job for a year and both -- Anthony and Lisa Demaree -- were added to a list of sex offenders. The judge in the case said the pix were harmless.

"I don't understand it at all," Anthony Demaree told GMA, with his wife by his side. "Ninety, 95 percent of the families out there in America have these exact same photos."

Now they've got another shot to take. This time it's directed at Wal-Mart and their hometown.
Oh wow. I'm sure everyone has a pic of themselves in the bathtub when they were young. Does that mean all of our parents are perverts and collectors of child porn?
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i should've known when my parents took photos of my first bath they were really thinking of all the kiddie porn they were going to make now that they had a kid.
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I've always wondered how that works, with the photo issue and reporting things to the police. Are there specific guidelines or is it more subjective?

I would think that anyone who intended to take pornographic photos of children would use a digital camera and/or print them at home and not take a memory stick into a photo or printing center like these people did. Supposedly the police also watched family videotapes in which the kids were playing while naked-and they thought the young girl appeared to be posed in a "provocative manner" in the tub.

I saw an Oprah show last season about child pornography and they described what's in some of those photos-suffice it to say it is not kids in a bathtub.
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I've always wondered how that works, with the photo issue and reporting things to the police. Are there specific guidelines or is it more subjective?
I asked a friend who worked for a photo developing company and I think he said that they hang on to the negatives and call the police? I don't remember exactly, but there was some protocol for it.
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I meant about the content of the photos themselves-what do they have to see in them or is it all in the eye of the beholder? It really begs that question when you say the child looks like they're posed in a "provocative manner".
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Weird case. The judge said the picture looked "innocent", others say the child was posed in a "provocative manner", and they got added to the list of sex offenders. Then you have it on a website where it is questionable if they keep to journalistic standards, i.e. try to get a balanced and objective picture. After all, the article is written pretty much only from the parents' side. So well, without having seen the actual picture the article of course leaves the clear impression that some weird employee totally over-reacted and then authorities followed suit. But if that is really the case?
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I read about this a couple of days ago online and I thought the reaction to the photos was interesting. And now what he has to say about it.

Photos here


Stephanie Seymour and Her Son Bond On the Beach - StyleList



Stephanie Seymour's son 17-year-old Peter Brant II has spoken out about the kissy-kissy photos of himself and his mother on the on the beach in St. Barts that surfaced last week.

Brant posted to his Facebook:

Now about this whole Beach kiss scandal I would just like to say it has been taken completely out of context and I don't appreciate speculation on my personal relationship with my mother and any other uninhibited opinions.

He also wrote to Gawker:

I would just like to say that these pictures have been taken completely out of context, my mother and i are very close as she is with all her children. she often hugs and kisses me and my siblings in an manner that is intimate, any mother in the world does the same. that day on the beach we walked around with each other completely aware of the presence of photographers there. We have nothing to hide and with that in mind I would like to say that I am openly gay. At my age my mother and I are almost like friends and I feel open to talk to her about anything (and yes our relationship may be different because of my sexuality).
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I saw that too, Mrs. S, and read the bazillion Gawker comments. What blew me away was the giant variation in the comments as to what people thought was or was not acceptable as far as being affectionate with family members.

Personally, I thought the pictures were sweet, with the exception of the whole boob hold thing, but then that could have been an awkward angle or a slip that some paparazzi caught with his camera set to take multiple pics per second. Much ado about nothing. It's nice to hear him confirm the closeness he feels toward his mom.

And my god, Stephanie looks AMAZING.
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It's interesting to me, the whole issue of physical affection between kids and parents and especially with opposite gender parents. I don't know how much of it is how we are raised and how much physical affection there is with our parents and how much of it is the level of paranoia that can exist today about these issues. What he said about being gay and their relationship being different, I don't know if he meant that in terms of the physical affection.
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