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Old 09-10-2009, 11:11 AM   #16
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Wow talk about the biggest strentch you can find. Its your mind that puts the thought that a father or mother giving their child a kiss is wrong.

ITs not an attitude of im right you're wrong its me saying 'how sad for you that you can't deal with epople showing affection and have to see something disgusting and unmoralistic behind anything that you deem to be fine which is a tiny tiny part of life but you can spew your judgement and disgust to us over something so trivial as this'

See the song 'Fuck You' by Lily Allen. It is apt.
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Old 09-10-2009, 11:33 AM   #17
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My parents rarely gave me physical affection, let alone kissing on the lips. I longed for it, when you get older you realize what you missed. And this was before the way things are now as far as the perception of touching and kissing. If you have kids you can teach them precisely what is acceptable and what is not.
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Old 09-10-2009, 12:13 PM   #18
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Yes. The assertion that kissing one's child on the lips leads to the child allowing strangers to kiss them on the lips which leads to higher risk of molestation is ridiculous, as is this:
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Most of the cases it started with something innocent enough or something the mother or father didn't think was a big deal, then it escalated to full blown molestation or rape...
Come on. That's what you got out of your law classes, that a normal, non-pedophilic parent can somehow be lured into pedophilia by something as innocent as kissing their child on the lips? That's downright insane and inaccurate. You should probably repeat the class.


For the record, I've been kissed on the lips by my parents, have kissed my own child on the lips, and yet I've somehow escaped being a victim or perpetrator of molestation.
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Old 09-10-2009, 12:31 PM   #19
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I disagree with that as well. I think pedophilia is basically its own sexual orientation, something you just *are*, something you are born predisposed to.
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Old 09-10-2009, 12:35 PM   #20
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Come on. That's what you got out of your law classes, that a normal, non-pedophilic parent can somehow be lured into pedophilia by something as innocent as kissing their child on the lips? That's downright insane and inaccurate. You should probably repeat the class.
Exactly. Does it also mean parents should not bathe their children because seeing them naked may make them want to molest them?

Parents who say molestation started out as something innocent - such as a kiss - are just making excuses. Pedophiles are sick people who's testimonies cannot be taken seriously.
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Lies, I'm not so sure about that, although that's probably closer to the truth than stating that a normal person can become a pedophile in increments. Evidence shows that overwhelmingly, most pedophiles come from extremely messed up backgrounds, and were victimized as children themselves. So, there is definitely an environmental element to it. However, since there are also victims who do not go on to victimize others, there could well be a genetic element that's "awakened" by the environmental dysfunction a child experiences, as well.
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I disagree with that as well. I think pedophilia is basically its own sexual orientation, something you just *are*, something you are born predisposed to.
And has nothing to do with the environment in which one was raised?
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i think there's an environmental component to all sexual "tastes," i.e., what turns you on and what doesn't, to a degree, but to the extent that a pedophile is turned on by a prepubescent body -- as opposed to someone who just likes underaged teenagers, which is likely a combination of power and the idea of a "fresh" body amongst other things, and not surprising given that women used to be married by 13 -- it really seems to me that it's a significant leap that can't possibly be explained by environment alone.
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:35 AM   #24
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Exactly. Does it also mean parents should not bathe their children because seeing them naked may make them want to molest them?

Parents who say molestation started out as something innocent - such as a kiss - are just making excuses. Pedophiles are sick people who's testimonies cannot be taken seriously.
Well said..Pedophiles are sick people.

I am a parent and grand parent. Of course, I would have to bath my son when he was a little child. Change his diaper, clothes. Never once have I or his father had any inappropriate thoughts or actions towards him. We still hug our son, when we see him and his is twenty five years old. And yes, I still give my son a kiss on the cheek and say, "I love you."
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i think there's an environmental component to all sexual "tastes," i.e., what turns you on and what doesn't, to a degree, but to the extent that a pedophile is turned on by a prepubescent body -- as opposed to someone who just likes underaged teenagers, which is likely a combination of power and the idea of a "fresh" body amongst other things, and not surprising given that women used to be married by 13 -- it really seems to me that it's a significant leap that can't possibly be explained by environment alone.
In what country or culture did girls marry by 13?

I have done a family tree of my ancestors. Whom, all were from Ireland. I was even able to find out marriage info. And everyone of them married, when they were in their twenties. I was able to track back to seven generations.
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In what country or culture did girls marry by 13?

I have done a family tree of my ancestors. Whom, all were from Ireland. I was even able to find out marriage info. And everyone of them married, when they were in their twenties. I was able to track back to seven generations.


2,000 years ago, boys and girls were married off as soon as they became sexually mature.

also, Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin, Loretta Lynn got married around the same age -- and this was 30-40 years ago in this country.
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2,000 years ago, boys and girls were married off as soon as they became sexually mature.
exactly. if you WEREN'T married by the time you were like 16/17, you had virtually no chance of even getting married.
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exactly. if you WEREN'T married by the time you were like 16/17, you had virtually no chance of even getting married.


and you would likely be dead by 30.
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2,000 years ago, boys and girls were married off as soon as they became sexually mature.

also, Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin, Loretta Lynn got married around the same age -- and this was 30-40 years ago in this country.
Thanks Irvine, for your reply.

It would make sense for people (2000 years ago) to have married young. Since, they didn't have a long life span.

I guess my family and ancestors did not fit the norm. I am the same as them. I didn't get married. Until, I was twenty six and finished with college.
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I think he was probably OK until he slipped her the tongue.
yeah, first time I heard about this it seemed that the tongue part caused the incident
since there's no mention of it now it's hard to even tell what happened
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