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Old 09-26-2008, 11:38 AM   #16
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you'll have to read the last 48 hours of the Sarah Palin thread.

They have seen the greatest threat to the world and it wears lipstick.


Iran can be contained. Sarah Palin cannot. for now.
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Maybe the informed people realize that Ahmadinejad has no actual power or authority within Iran's political and religious structure and that he's little more than the cartoon character he's designed to be.

Or do the Republicans think that Sarah Palin is also such a cartoon?
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outrage has been directed towards Ahmadinejad has been around for years.

Palin, only 30ish days or so.
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:36 PM   #19
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Maybe the informed people realize that Ahmadinejad has no actual power or authority within Iran's political and religious structure and that he's little more than the cartoon character he's designed to be.
Is there any reason to believe his public words do not echo the private words of the mullahs?
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Is there any reason to believe his public words do not echo the private words of the mullahs?
I spoke about this briefly to my uncle who lived in Tehran for about a decade (he's an engineer). His take on it is that the mullahs are keenly aware of public opinion in Iran. Yes, the Iranians are weary of the Americans (and you would be too if you were in their shoes) but they are also uniquely well-educated for that part of the world and the younger generation, which is sizeable due to their birth rate demographics, is quite pro-Western. It is relative to an extent, but young people there are uninterested in warfare and in fact privately live much more liberalized lives than we may think. Capitalism has been embraced, and because of the value of commodities, they see themselves as well positioned to function in the global economy, at least for the time being.

The mullahs may hate Bush & America as much as Ahmadinejad does - I have no way of knowing that. But they also know that this isn't the 50s or the 70s, and pragmatism and practicality are holding them back from making equivalent caustic statements or behaving in equally belligerent ways as he does. They don't need to - they have him to serve that purpose, while they are more concerned with hanging on to power and doing so requires a position which is quite watered down.
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The mullahs may hate Bush & America as much as Ahmadinejad does - I have no way of knowing that. But they also know that this isn't the 50s or the 70s, and pragmatism and practicality are holding them back from making equivalent caustic statements or behaving in equally belligerent ways as he does.
We don't know if the Ayatollah or how many of the mullahs share Ahmadinejad's apocalyptic wish to see the return of the Twelfth Imam.

As for laying low, only in that they set up Hezbollah, Hamas and Syrian groups to do their dirty work while giving Iran the cover of plausible deniability.
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Is there any reason to believe his public words do not echo the private words of the mullahs?
Are you willing to apply this kind of logic to all "leaders"?
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Are you willing to apply this kind of logic to all "leaders"?
Like who?
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and this vile little man has given more press conferences than the nominee for Vice President.

welcome to John McCain's America.
more press conferences IN america, no less.
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Like who?
Is Obama going to speak for you when he's elected?
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Old 09-26-2008, 06:00 PM   #26
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Iranians mock Holocaust on annual Jerusalem Day Sep 26

Iranians chanted "Death to Israel" on Friday as Islamist students unveiled a book mocking the Holocaust in an Al-Quds (Jerusalem) Day annual parade to show solidarity with the Palestinians.
And in Gaza City, the Islamist Hamas movement that has ruled the impoverished Palestinian territory since June 2007 marked the day by calling for more suicide attacks on Israel.

Iran does not recognise the Jewish state, and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has attracted international condemnation by repeatedly predicting Israel is doomed to disappear and branding the Holocaust a "myth."

On Friday, tens of thousands of Iranians marched in Tehran, chanting "Death to Israel," declaring solidarity with the Palestinians and calling for Jerusalem and Israel to be handed to the Palestinians.

Demonstrators carried placards bearing slogans including "Israel will be destroyed, Palestine is Victorious" and "Holy war until victory," and they also torched American and Israeli flags.

Friday's Iran protest follows a fresh verbal attack on Israel by Ahmadinejad.

In an address to the UN General Assembly in New York on Tuesday, he said "the Zionist regime is on a definite slope to collapse and there is no way for it to get out of the cesspool created by itself and its supporters."

The demonstration was held under an official slogan: "The Islamic world will not recognise the fake Zionist regime under any circumstances and believes that this cancerous tumour will one day be wiped off the face of the earth."
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^ awful.

what else do you want us to say? NO ONE likes the Iranian government. or do we have to moan like a Greek chorus at their every move?
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Is Obama going to speak for you when he's elected?
He may not be speaking for me personally, anymore than Bush speaks for me personally, but in matters of foreign relations, when speaking to the U.N. General Assembly, he will be speaking for the United States of America.
Our president is not a figurehead.
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But when one hears Bush speak they can assume his words reflect the private thoughts of ALL Americans... at least according to your logic.
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Purple Oscar, do you speak Arabic?
I'm trusting the subtitles. Why? Is he saying "I love Israel!? I kiss America!?"
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