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Old 08-09-2011, 06:49 PM   #166
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Like I said, it's not a race thing. It is mostly a socio-economic thing. But overwhelmingly, it's a fuckwit thing.


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Old 08-09-2011, 06:57 PM   #167
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I can tell you that in Manchester it is mainly 'white' youths doing the damage here.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:16 PM   #168
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I think name calling of other forum members is not attractive.

It brings nothing to the discussion.

If one disagrees with a statement or premise, they should address the points they disagree with by writing a reasonable rebuttal.
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"Figures released in June 2010 showed an increase in the number of black and Asian people stopped, and revealed that black people were seven times and Asian people two times more likely to be stopped by police than white people."
This is a longstanding issue in the US as well; for example, according to the Dept. of Justice black Americans are more than twice as likely as whites to have their cars pulled over and searched, even though searches of white people's cars are more than twice as likely to turn up illegal possessions (usually drugs). Blacks are also more than three times as likely to have force used against them (gun drawn, grabbing etc.) when pulled over. Having said that, studies comparing ordinary citizens' responses to policemens' during video simulations where one 'shoots' at (if armed) or not (if unarmed) young male targets of various races have consistently found that police do lots better than most of us at resisting their unconscious racial biases, so, as much as we might like to think in terms of some corrupting 'police culture' that the rest of us are happily free from, the evidence doesn't actually support that.


I don't doubt that trends like these are a contributing factor to these kinds of events; I do think though that a predominant focus on them risks dangerously neglecting the alienation from and disregard for even their own neighbors and communities, let alone state and 'greater society,' young people involved in such acts are demonstrating. To me that's usually the most disturbing part of riots, other than the violence itself.
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this photo blows my mind.



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Old 08-09-2011, 07:33 PM   #171
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I can tell you that in Manchester it is mainly 'white' youths doing the damage here.
Sounds like things are actually worse in Manchester than in London at the moment? Unsurprising I guess, considering the hugely increased police presence in London.

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Earlier in the day Greater Manchester police sent 100 officers–-four public order units-–to assist in London. While Sir Hugh Orde, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers, who organised the reinforcements, said such assistance had been planned to ensure other forces could cope with violence in their own areas, it was clear that the city could have used the extra officers.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:36 PM   #172
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The only issue in London at the moment seems to be that the EDL are out and about in South London looking for trouble. That could turn very nasty. Otherwise - absolutely nothing happening, all seemingly in Manchester and elsewhere tonight.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:40 PM   #173
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It all seems the more pointless what is going on up here. There was an interview with one of the 'youths' in question on Sky News and it was just depressing with all this 'it's to show the police what we can do' nonsense.

I have a few friends who live in the town centre and they seem genuinely terrified with unconfirmed reports of people roaming Oldham Street with axes.
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That's unbelievable irvine. I can't even form words.... this is meant to be civilised society

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It actually all kicked off as a racial thing. So to say its not racial just shows you haven't read fully into the situation. It all kicked off because a police officer shot dead a black man. His family wanted a peaceful protest, but gangs took it to violence and riotting.
Now its just turned into chaos, no one even knowing why their rioting. It's just ludacris.
I'm a thousand miles away but this is one baffling post.
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It all seems the more pointless what is going on up here. There was an interview with one of the 'youths' in question on Sky News and it was just depressing with all this 'it's to show the police what we can do' nonsense.


sometimes a riot is just a riot?

kind of funny how the American right wing blogs are trying to tie this to Obama, and that these are "austerity" riots brought about by global economic collapse that's totally his fault.
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It's just odd, I mean i've seen a number of riots, they are pretty hard to avoid in Belfast. They can be pretty senseless but you always kinda know that they were specifically against something no matter how daft it may be, and it was never directed towards their own community. Here it's more just because they can.
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The original protest had a point/purpose, then it flared up, became a riot, and then turned into uber destruction and then looting. Once it started to spread the following night, it was starting at the destruction stage. Once it was clear the London police were stretched and unable to cope - all live on tv, all info flowing online, even looking out your window and seeing van after van of police heading out of your neighbourhood and a long way north - it was like a bat signal up over all of London. "They're not here, they can't cope anyway, all those kids got iPhones, I saw it! Let's go get some fuckin' iPhones!" And off it went.
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I see a sentiment repeated on various sites, that I can't help agreeing with: It's possible to both condemn the violence but still be interested in exploring the underlying causes.

What makes this sort of thing happen? It's easy to say "thuggery" and "mob mentality" or what-have-you, but maybe this person has a point. Maybe they're full of shit.

Panic on the streets of London - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

I can't pretend to understand the class or race issues that are underscoring all of this (or at least being focused on in the media) - I'm a white American from a middle-class upbringing. All I can do is watch in horror and read with the fascination that comes from being safely thousands of miles away.
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And a letter to the editor (these are from the Herald Sun, Melb): "is what's happening in London the result of failed multiculturalism? Is this where we are headed?"

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