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Old 04-20-2010, 01:22 PM   #1
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To many of the classical Greeks and Romans - it is governing principle or universal reason and the human soul was a part of it.

Christians believe Jesus is logos made flesh (Gospel of John Prologue).

What are your thoughts? Is it possible there is a governing principle, a divine set of rules for the entire universe? Is it possible the human soul shares the same “substance” or “predisposition” with this principle? Do you accept the premise that living according to logos (reason and virtue) is to live in harmony with the divine order of the universe? As a Christian (if you are one), do you think the classical Greek and Roman philosophers were on track with this idea?
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Old 04-20-2010, 02:16 PM   #4
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Well, there is physics or the natural law which governs matter / time / space, etc etc.

Is Logos more about morality? I think life will always try to survive. It will adapt to what works. Each species will be different. Humans have "morals" and "reason" because they help us survive and flourish - and/or help us deal with how we survive and flourish.

I think everyone already thinks they are living according to reason and virtue. I dont think anyone would disagree with that. As for the whole living in harmony thing, I think you need to get Zen for that, not Logos.
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Is it possible there is a governing principle, a divine set of rules for the entire universe?
Laws of physics, laws of gravity, entropy, etc...sure.

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Is it possible the human soul shares the same “substance” or “predisposition” with this principle?
Isn't this somewhat self-evident? Humanity responds to these laws -- though, interestingly, humans seem uniquely gifted to bend them to their will -- within reason, that is. What is the point of technology but to take authority over (and thus to subvert, invert, or thwart) established laws of science?

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Do you accept the premise that living according to logos (reason and virtue) is to live in harmony with the divine order of the universe?
Not sure how you define harmony, since sometimes harmony is found is discord. The question is, when do we live within order and when are we outside of it.

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As a Christian (if you are one), do you think the classical Greek and Roman philosophers were on track with this idea?
Since I believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of all that became before Him - sure.
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Laws of physics, laws of gravity, entropy, etc...sure.
I wonder what the studies of quantum mechanics will produce over the next twenty or thirty years.

Personally, I think the fields of philosophy and physics will mend their centuries old split and overlap in quite a few areas.
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Since I believe that Jesus was the fulfillment of all that became before Him - sure.
I’ve said this before, but I’ve always found it bit frustrating that most New Testament versions translate the original Greek “logos” into “Word” – this does not do the concept justice – especially when you consider the Hellenistic audience would have understood what John was saying when he claimed that Jesus was the Logos come to earth.
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I’ve said this before, but I’ve always found it bit frustrating that most New Testament versions translate the original Greek “logos” into “Word” – this does not do the concept justice – especially when you consider the Hellenistic audience would have understood what John was saying when he claimed that Jesus was the Logos come to earth.
Particularly when you connect the speaking of God in the beginning of Genesis. The Word came, and brought life. What was that word? Maybe Bono's got it right -- "the sound."
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What is the point of technology but to take authority over (and thus to subvert, invert, or thwart) established laws of science?
That is magic, like one would find in biblical miracles. Technology exploits scientific knowledge for practical benefit.
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A-Wanderer - what are your thoughts regarding the estimated 11 (at a minimum) dimensions? In your opinion, are topics such as M Theory or the Theory of Everything more in the camp of philosophy or physics?
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I think that I ought to suspend judgement until there is evidence persuasive enough to convince most physicists. I think that you haven't properly defined physics and philosophy in the question.
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I think that you haven't properly defined physics and philosophy in the question.
Some have said theoretical physics is more philosophy than physics since it can't be observed by today's instruments.
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How the balls did I miss this thread?
M-Theory intrigues the hell out of me.

Did you see this new experiment, AEON?

It's not specifically M-Theory but it's interesting. Take it FWIW.

FOXNews.com - Freaky Physics Proves Parallel Universes Exist
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There was a response to that article on scienceblogs

The Worst Physics Article Ever : Built on Facts
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Some have said theoretical physics is more philosophy than physics since it can't be observed by today's instruments.
I remember seeing that criticism in the Brian Green documentary 'The Elegant Universe'.

Theoretical physics builds explanatory models which can fit the universe that we live in, and hopefully provide explanations for the unusual which match observations.

The relationship between the universe and the mathematical model is an interesting one. I think that is where philosophy comes in. The sorts of truth claims that count as scientific knowledge and why we should believe them is a really cool topic.
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