lOGOS - Page 2 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-24-2010, 09:54 AM   #16
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by U2DMfan View Post
How the balls did I miss this thread?
M-Theory intrigues the hell out of me.

Did you see this new experiment, AEON?

It's not specifically M-Theory but it's interesting. Take it FWIW.

FOXNews.com - Freaky Physics Proves Parallel Universes Exist

I missed this story – as I usually don’t read foxnew.com. I did find it interesting now that you’ve linked to it, I also enjoyed reading the response from the sienceblogs. The good thing is that stories like that at least build up public interest.

I try to follow what’s going on with the Hadron Supercollider in France. The thought of small black holes being created and evaporating is both scary and fascinating (as controlled black holes were a weapon in the latest Star Trek movie). Also, it would be simply breathtaking if they were able to observe an actual graviton “disappearing” into another dimension.

The next 20 to 30 years has the potential to open the floodgates in our understanding of the basic building blocks of our universe (of course, we thought that we had that with the atom). Which, in a way, M-theory would also prove the classical Greeks were onto something with their concept of logos.
__________________

__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 09:57 AM   #17
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Wanderer View Post
The relationship between the universe and the mathematical model is an interesting one. I think that is where philosophy comes in. The sorts of truth claims that count as scientific knowledge and why we should believe them is a really cool topic.
I agree with all that you've said here.
__________________

__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 06:16 PM   #18
Refugee
 
AliEnvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,320
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by U2DMfan View Post
How the balls did I miss this thread?
M-Theory intrigues the hell out of me.
Ha, me too! Of course, I was on the beach in Mexico for the past week.

I am fascinated by the idea of time and space being cyclical across many dimensions and forming patterns.

Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Wanderer View Post
The relationship between the universe and the mathematical model is an interesting one. I think that is where philosophy comes in. The sorts of truth claims that count as scientific knowledge and why we should believe them is a really cool topic.


The Golden Rule, the Golden Ratio, God's Fingerprint.

YouTube - Golden Ratio in Human Body

YouTube - Golden Ratio in Plants & MicroWorld

__________________
AliEnvy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 07:36 PM   #19
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 08:27 PM
Quote:
Re-Evolution
by Terence McKenna
If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed.
Human history represents such a radical break with the natural systems of biological organization that preceded it, that it must be the response to a kind of attractor, or dwell point that lies ahead in the temporal dimension. Persistently Western religions have integrated into their theologies the notion of a kind of end of the world, and I think that a lot of psychedelic experimentation sort of confirms this intuition, I mean, it isn't going to happen according to any of the scenarios of orthodox religion, but the basic intuition, that the universe seeks closure in a kind of omega point of transcendance, is confirmed, it's almost as though this object in hyperspace, glittering in hyperspace, throws off reflections of itself, which actually ricochet into the past, illuminating this mystic, inspiring that saint or visionary, and that out of these fragmentary glimpses of eternity we can build a kind of map, of not only the past of the universe, and the evolutionary egression into novelty, but a kind of map of the future, this is what shamanism is always been about, a shaman is someone who has been to the end, it's someone who knows how the world really works, and knowing how the world really works means to have risen outside, above, beyond the dimensions of ordinary space, time, and casuistry, and actually seen the wiring under the board, stepped outside the confines of learned culture and learned and embedded language, into the domain of what Wittgenstein called "the unspeakable," the transcendental presense of the other, which can be absanctioned, in various ways, to yield systems of knowledge which can be brought back into ordinary social space for the good of the community, so in the context of ninety percent of human culture, the shaman has been the agent of evolution, because the shaman learns the techniques to go between ordinary reality and the domain of the ideas, this higher dimensional continuum that is somehow parallel to us, available to us, and yet ordinarily occluded by cultural convention out of fear of the mystery I believe, and what shamans are, I believe, are people who have been able to de-condition themselves from the community's instinctual distrust of the mystery, and to go into it, to go into this bewildering higher dimension, and gain knowledge, recover the jewel lost at the beginning of time, to save souls, cure, commune with the ancestors and so forth and so on. Shamanism is not a religion, it's a set of techniques, and the principal technique is the use of psychedelic plants. What psychedelics do is they dissolve boundaries, and in the presence of dissolved boundaries, one cannot continue to close one's eyes to the ruination of the earth, the poisoning of the seas, and the consequences of two thousand years of unchallenged dominator culture, based on monotheism, hatred of nature, suppression of the female, and so forth and so on. So, what shamans have to do is act as exemplars, by making this cosmic journey to the domain of the Gaian ideas, and then bringing them back in the form of art to the struggle to save the world. The planet has a kind of intelligence, that it can actually open a channel of communication with an individual human being. The message that nature sends is, transform your language through a synergy between electronic culture and the psychedelic imagination, a synergy between dance and idea, a synergy between understanding and intuition, and dissolve the boundaries that your culture has sanctioned between you, to become part of this Gaian supermind, I mean I think it's fairly profound, it's fairly apocalyptic. History is ending. I mean, we are to be the generation that witnesses the revelation of the purpose of the cosmos. History is the shock wave of the eschaton. History is the shock wave of eschatology, and what this means for those of us who will live through this transition into hyperspace, is that we will be privileged to see the greatest release of compressed change probably since the birth of the universe. The twentieth century is the shudder that announces the approaching cataracts of time over which our species and the destiny of this planet is about to be swept.

If the truth can be told so as to be understood, it will be believed.

The emphasis in house music and rave culture on physiologically compatible rhythms and this sort of thing is really the rediscovery of the art of natural magic with sound, that sound, properly understood, especially percussive sound, can actually change neurological states, and large groups of people getting together in the presence of this kind of music are creating a telepathic community of bonding that hopefully will be strong enough that it can carry the vision out into the mainstream of society. I think that the youth culture that is emerging in the nineties is an end of the millenium culture that is actually summing up Western civilization and pointing us in an entirely different direction, that we're going to arrive in the third millenium, in the middle of an archaic revival, which will mean a revival of these physiologically empowering rhythm signatures, a new art, a new social vision, a new relationship to nature, to feminism, to ego. All of these things are taking hold, and not a moment too soon.
Re-Evolution
__________________
financeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 07:38 PM   #20
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AEON View Post
The next 20 to 30 years has the potential to open the floodgates in our understanding of the basic building blocks of our universe (of course, we thought that we had that with the atom).
Caution is advisable here. Physicists were saying the same thing in the early twentieth century.
__________________
financeguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 09:47 PM   #21
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AliEnvy View Post
Ha, me too! Of course, I was on the beach in Mexico for the past week.

I am fascinated by the idea of time and space being cyclical across many dimensions and forming patterns.





The Golden Rule, the Golden Ratio, God's Fingerprint.

YouTube - Golden Ratio in Human Body

YouTube - Golden Ratio in Plants & MicroWorld

YouTube - Fibonacci - God's Fingerprint
I study Fibonacci levels in the markets - as a matter of fact, we are up against 61.8 retrace level in the S&P 500 (from the high to the low). It is amazing how these levels act as support and resistance (although they are often a self fulfilling prophecy).
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 09:57 PM   #22
Refugee
 
AliEnvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,320
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Terence McKenna's novelty theory makes my intuition tingle. Without psychedelics.
__________________
AliEnvy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 10:04 PM   #23
Refugee
 
AliEnvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,320
Local Time: 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AEON View Post
as a matter of fact, we are up against 61.8 retrace level in the S&P 500 (from the high to the low).
What does this mean exactly?
__________________
AliEnvy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 10:53 PM   #24
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AliEnvy View Post
What does this mean exactly?
Many times the markets retrace (pull back and reverse) around the key Fibonacci levels (38.2%, 50%, 61.8%). Usually the 61.8% is the "last chance" to keep a trend going. Right now, we are almost at the 61.8 level from the big move down. If it moves much higher than we are now, then there is a good chance the market won't resume the move lower that started in late 2007. However, if the market stalls and declines from here, it may repeat the market moves of the early 1930's - which mean much, much lower (below the prior low of 666).

__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 11:11 PM   #25
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM
Here is a projection by someone what the market might do if it declines from this area. Enough traders work these areas that it's wise to pay attention to them. This was assuming it was going to turn at the 50 level just like the Great Depression. And for a few weeks - he looked like he was right. Now we are near the 61.8 level (1225 ish) - usually the last level to defeat. Of course, it doesn't always play out this way...

__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2010, 11:23 PM   #26
Refugee
 
AliEnvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,320
Local Time: 07:27 PM
So if I understand what you just said, it's projected that the S&P500 might hit 61.8 next month (on the graph)? What is 61.8 in relation the market level? What is it a calc of I mean...
__________________
AliEnvy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2010, 12:02 AM   #27
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AliEnvy View Post
So if I understand what you just said, it's projected that the S&P500 might hit 61.8 next month (on the graph)? What is 61.8 in relation the market level? What is it a calc of I mean...
The second chart is over a month old - it is testing this area now.

S& P High 1576 and low 666
1576-666=910
0.618 (61.8%) retracement of downtrend
666 + 910 x 0.618 =
666 + 562.38 = 1228.38

Calculations will vary by a few points as some use the actual closing price, high/low, or an average. I do think it is a little funny the low was 666 - I was surprised we didn't hear more about how it was the mark of the beast.
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2010, 12:09 AM   #28
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM
strange how this thread has mentioned the Gospel of John, Greek philosophy, String Theory, multiverses, black holes, Fibonnaci, and the S&P 500 in less than two pages.
__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 02:22 PM   #29
Refugee
 
Bonoa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: a nuthouse for total Egyptfreaks
Posts: 1,040
Local Time: 08:27 PM
__________________
Bonoa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 02:28 PM   #30
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
AEON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:27 PM


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonoa View Post

Love it! Spock is one of my all time heroes!
__________________

__________________
AEON is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com