Limbaugh - "We don't have the money"
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purpleoscar
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That was a good speech. I hope Jindal will get some balls and pick up where Limbaugh left off. I mean a talk show host should not be the leader of the conservative movement unless there's a gaping leadership hole.
It was rather horrible.
But also timely and appropriate given the current state of affairs of the Republican party.
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financeguy
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I watched it all on Youtube. I agreed with most of it. Of course, there's a lot left in the background that he doesn't address. I assume this guy never criticised the Bush administrations enhancement of Big Government.
So, of course, there's a double standard.
But I agreed with most of it, and don't really understand why this guy is some kind of hate figure for some.
So, of course, there's a double standard.
But I agreed with most of it, and don't really understand why this guy is some kind of hate figure for some.
Look into some of his views on race and women, that might be a fair start.
Apart from the fact that I find him to be unintelligent, I hate his style. Basically he puts up a strawman, and then tears it down in indignation while patting himself on the back as if he just discovered America.
purpleoscar
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He would disagree with you on the recent wars but not on the increase in size of entitlements. He disagreed with Bush on the Healthcare prescription entitlements and no child left behind spending. He also disagreed on blanket Amnesty for illegal immigrants. Bobby Jindal would be the guy he would support. He's a big Reagan fan. He's Christian so he would be typical pro-life anti-gay marriage guy.
You would like more economic arguments. Social conservative arguments and pro-military arguments would get on your nerves at the level of John Bolton.
He's a hate figure for the left because he's influential and almost singlehandedly advanced the right-wing presence in the usually left-wing dominated media since the 80's. The change in discourse is more crude now because the competition is very heated. The landscape is much more fun now that people have a media voice they can turn to if they feel the typical ABC/CBS/NBC coverage is too biased.
Recently some Democrats tried to silence him with the "Fairness Doctrine" which disallows "controversial" topics unless equal time is given to callers. His 3 hour runtime would be cut in half with spam. Currently they are trying to do local content rules to force more variety on talkradio stations which would presumeably cut on his runtime as well. To me this is Hugo Chavez lite. With upwards of 20 million listeners the demand speaks for itself. He's a tycoon now from the loyal subscriptions. He's currently setting himself up as a freedom of speech martyr so as much as Obama would comment that people shouldn't listen to him and to try and divide and conquer the conservative base versus the centerist Republicans, he's probably having a career high right about now.
He's also one of the few voices on the right that was against the stimulus packages (TARP and such) and still is with Obama. Both Obama and Clinton are irritated with him because of his stance on the stimulus packages.
In regards to race he is not a racist (why would he work with Bo Snerdley?)and almost all attacks on him are quotations taken out of context (especially TV reports). The online transcripts are available so people who keep track will see through the bull. Eg. If he jokes in third person the media will sometimes take it as a verbatim quote from his personal point of view.
His views on women? Well he's okay with Sarah Palin being allowed to be president and has no problem with Margaret Thatcher so I doubt he would stop women from working. He hates feminists (calls them FEMINAZIS) because he feels they are Marxists first and feminists second. He would look at some of them as sexist and hating men. He also coined the term "Drive-by media" for left-wing media when they partake in character assassinations (Eg. Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill).
He's very confident and likes to act egotistical to tweak the liberals and irritate them so he has a style of "I know the truth" and has a great sense of humor.
His personal relationships with women are a trainwreck. His constant devotion to politics at work poisons his relationships. I think he's a workaholic. It must be toxic to be in a job like that constantly in a war-room mode.
He has a herniated disk in his back (probably from overweightness) and he got addicted to pain medication. The media went wild on him hoping to see the end of his career. He got cleaned up and came back.
Bottom line you would like half of what he says and probably hate half of it. The show is so entertaining that many liberals listen in anyways, even if they hate his guts.
deep
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He would disagree with you on the recent wars but not on the increase in size of entitlements. He disagreed with Bush on the Healthcare prescription entitlements and no child left behind spending. He also disagreed on blanket Amnesty for illegal immigrants. Bobby Jindal would be the guy he would support. He's a big Reagan fan. He's Christian so he would be typical pro-life anti-gay marriage guy.
You would like more economic arguments. Social conservative arguments and pro-military arguments would get on your nerves at the level of John Bolton.
He's a hate figure for the left because he's influential and almost singlehandedly advanced the right-wing presence in the usually left-wing dominated media since the 80's. The change in discourse is more crude now because the competition is very heated. The landscape is much more fun now that people have a media voice they can turn to if they feel the typical ABC/CBS/NBC coverage is too biased.
Recently some Democrats tried to silence him with the "Fairness Doctrine" which disallows "controversial" topics unless equal time is given to callers. His 3 hour runtime would be cut in half with spam. Currently they are trying to do local content rules to force more variety on talkradio stations which would presumeably cut on his runtime as well. To me this is Hugo Chavez lite. With upwards of 20 million listeners the demand speaks for itself. He's a tycoon now from the loyal subscriptions. He's currently setting himself up as a freedom of speech martyr so as much as Obama would comment that people shouldn't listen to him and to try and divide and conquer the conservative base versus the centerist Republicans, he's probably having a career high right about now.
He's also one of the few voices on the right that was against the stimulus packages (TARP and such) and still is with Obama. Both Obama and Clinton are irritated with him because of his stance on the stimulus packages.
In regards to race he is not a racist (why would he work with Bo Snerdley?)and almost all attacks on him are quotations taken out of context (especially TV reports). The online transcripts are available so people who keep track will see through the bull. Eg. If he jokes in third person the media will sometimes take it as a verbatim quote from his personal point of view.
His views on women? Well he's okay with Sarah Palin being allowed to be president and has no problem with Margaret Thatcher so I doubt he would stop women from working. He hates feminists (calls them FEMINAZIS) because he feels they are Marxists first and feminists second. He would look at some of them as sexist and hating men. He also coined the term "Drive-by media" for left-wing media when they partake in character assassinations (Eg. Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill).
He's very confident and likes to act egotistical to tweak the liberals and irritate them so he has a style of "I know the truth" and has a great sense of humor.
His personal relationships with women are a trainwreck. His constant devotion to politics at work poisons his relationships. I think he's a workaholic. It must be toxic to be in a job like that constantly in a war-room mode.
He has a herniated disk in his back (probably from overweightness) and he got addicted to pain medication. The media went wild on him hoping to see the end of his career. He got cleaned up and came back.
Bottom line you would like half of what he says and probably hate half of it. The show is so entertaining that many liberals listen in anyways, even if they hate his guts.
You sound like a real ditto head.
Is this a 3rd person remark about Ted Kenendy?
purpleoscar
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Meaning I actually look at the transcripts so I don't get fooled? Calling someone a dittohead is just a way of saying that a person is being brainwashed by Limbaugh when really there is a HUGE demand for his show precisely because liberal media doesn't satisfy it. That's why liberal radio shows don't have the same success.
Well Ted Kennedy wanted this bill and felt it was his life's work and he's on his deathbed. So yes it would be something emotionally invested for him. If Bush had to tolerate movies being made about his assassination then liberals will just have to eat it. If liberals can forgive Chappaquiddick then they can forgive Limbaugh's morbid humor. If it's okay for Rahm Emmanuel to stab his stake after the Clinton election while naming all the conservatives who lost followed by "Die! Die! Die!" then too bad.
An out of context comment (there are so many) that happened recently is attacking Limbaugh for wanting Obama to fail. Nevermind that he wants Obama to fail at left-wing policies. If Obama took a turn to the right and actually moved towards a balanced budget Limbaugh would be handcuffed and would have to defend him.
Even at the expense of the common good. That's Rush for you in a nutshell.
Bloviating fool with the approval rating that is roughly the same as that of George W. Bush. Must be everyone else is crazy.
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Limbaugh's recent (White House black ops-aided) annointment as the de facto face of the GOP is a bad situation for them getting much, much worse.
Personally I think it's hilarious.
Personally I think it's hilarious.
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There is a vast difference between this speech and his radio show. He trumpets out the conservative line well enough and he is quite a skilled propagandist. He appeals to a large niche group and appeals to the lowest elements of that group. There are certainly intelligent and educated people who listen to him, but the vastness of his niche appeal isn't intelligent discourse. His show is a celebration of sexism, racism, classicism that he will self-righteously deny. You see what somebody is about by watching how they behave, not what they say, so his denials run a little thin. You can often tell someone who listens to him religiously because the phrases he coined will come tripping out of their tongues and they will repeat his arguments verbatim as if they are their own without any attempt to research if what he said is actually true. They want them to be true. (That is not limited to Limbaugh listeners. I've engaged in it myself for other things, then caught myself in embarrassment and gave myself a good look-see)
He allowed the older, white and wealthy (or striving to be wealthy or just tired of not feeling they had a voice) men to feel good about themselves again. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing, but the tactics he employs brings everything down to an ugly level (Michael Steele was right).
I listen to him often enough to have an opinion on what he is about. He is about self-promotion. Once you get that about him, you've gotten pretty much everything.
A year or two back, I posted that during his radio he promoted that instead of his offering subscriptions and premium memberships to his website soldiers stationed in Iraq (a dubious "treat" that would have cost him nothing), he encouraged listeners to sponsor a soldier's membership so they could show their support for the troops and feel a part of it. Not send, oh--
supplies or treats or maybe air conditioners or better flak jackets, or maybe even socks--but a 24-7 membership to his website that he would be paid for.
He used soldiers' coffins to fill his coffers. Oh, yeah, he said all the right things about them, but then sought to profit from them.
But we all choose our heroes, I guess.
That being said, he falls well within the boundaries of free--if distasteful--speech. And I'm not a big fan of the bloviators of any ideology. The good ideas that might be had get lost in the loss of credibility I find.
purpleoscar
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He clearly doesn't believe Obama's success with implementing socialism as being helpful to the common good. You may disagree with his right wing ideas but you can't assume he's speaking from the same assumptions. He doesn't assume that stimulus plans and huge deficit spending is good for the public. This is especially detrimental for the tax payer. He believes in social programs only up to the level of what you would see with the contract with America in the '90s. He wants some safety net but is aware that there has to be a large pool of financially independent people paying for it. Entitlements only exist if they can be paid for.
Then why stop him from voicing his opinion with the "Fairness" doctrine or local content rules? There is a demand for his service why not compete with it? With the government openly trying to force him off the air or reduce his show running time is to reduce competition of ideas. The left has schools/TV/Pop culture. No wonder left-wing talk radio hasn't been as succesful. The public knows what the left stand for. Anybody who provides something that is refreshing and unique will make lots of money in the marketplace.
Biden mentioned 7-11 with Jindal. Why does he still have a job? When Letterman called Limbaugh a fat Eastern European gangster should Eastern Europeans be offended? Should fat people be offended? The discussion is more crude now because competition brings out desperatation and effort on both sides. That's why democracies can look messy and dictatorships clean. I prefer the messy.
My favorite hypocrisy is when Barbara Walters was trying to equate Limbaugh's financial success with Wall Street corruption totally ignoring her own financial success. Face it. What ever hypocrisy is on the right there is plenty on the left to exploit, and that's what Rush does.
BTW approval ratings have a tendency to change as Obama can testify to that. If the public is deluded into thinking the government can eliminate the business cycle then the approval rating denotes how many people in America are deluded in their opinions on economics.
Oh I think he should be allowed to speak, and as loudly as possible. The vast majority of people hate him and his approval ratings among the under-30 crowd is dismal. Same goes for women.
This leaves the impression that you don't understand what hypocrisy means. Barbara Walters has not made her fortune by claiming that she is the "common man", and that she channels "real" America and people like Joe Plumber. This is a woman who has embraced financial success and happily lived on 5th Ave. How that has anything to do with Rush Limbaugh is beyond me.
The Fairness Doctrine was in effect between 1949 and 1987.
Somehow, the world continued to spin on its axis.
It's not "Hugo Chavez lite". That's just silly, like the hysteria of "socialism" being the top tax rate being raised 3% to 39%, despite the US fighting the Cold War with a ~90% tax rate.
It's not surprising that you're taking Limbaugh's jokes as fact. Please, find an actual quote from Joe Biden linking 7-11 and Bobby Jindal.
Somehow, the world continued to spin on its axis.
It's not "Hugo Chavez lite". That's just silly, like the hysteria of "socialism" being the top tax rate being raised 3% to 39%, despite the US fighting the Cold War with a ~90% tax rate.
It's not surprising that you're taking Limbaugh's jokes as fact. Please, find an actual quote from Joe Biden linking 7-11 and Bobby Jindal.
BVS
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You're so funny, it's so obvious you listen to this guy and believe everything he says hook line and sinker.
Rush has been bitching about the fairness doctrine since the election because he had a "hunch" if Obama won he would bring it back, he had absolutely no evidence that Obama wanted to bring it back. He invented the fairness doctrine debate because he wanted to create an enemy, "see these guys want to shut me up", when actually the fairness doctrine doesn't even do that. But Obama has stated he has no interest in bringing back the fairness doctrine, but you guys are still bringing it up.
It's like so many of you and Rush's arguments, it's the ultimate straw man argument.Have you ever seen Rush actually debate someone of intellect? Ask yourself why you haven't...
deep
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Limbaugh represents the Grand Torino wing of the American populace, they are a dying breed.
They will never be able to muster any real clout again.
They will never be able to muster any real clout again.
Tiger Edge
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God willing.I love how he takes potshots at "intellectuals" and "universities" right before the 7:50 mark. It must be hard for the Limbaugh-minded individuals to have an articulate president again. It's just not real America to go to college, get yourself a degree and earn more than $12 an hour.
What a patriot. I want all my children to grow up as dumb as I am.
purpleoscar
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Because nobody wants to.
purpleoscar
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Yeah it spun left.
The unfairness of a Fairness Doctrine - Los Angeles Times
It's divide and conquer tactics to try and marginalize real conservatives from the flim-flam Republicans going left. Chavez targeted opposition media much more forcefully because he has more power to do so. The difference is in degree.
You're right here. I forgot about this:
YouTube - Biden Indian
Though there are others who can't resist though:
Michelle Malkin � Helen Thomas said what about Bobby Jindal?
The point being that looking at Rush as racist is exagerration when the left can get away with similar comments being brushed off. They would get away with more if right-wing talk radio was diminished. I hope that if any muzzling of talk-radio is allowed that it will be equally enforced on Oprah.
I prefer Anitram's attitude:
If Rush is so stupid and incompetent then he's no threat.
purpleoscar
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YouTube - Rush Limbaugh on Barbara Walters' Special 12/04/08 (3 of 5)
See 1:10. "Are you worth it?"
She gets richer and richer and so does he. Why would it be a problem for him? He wasn't always wealthy but he made it with the talents he had. Why should he feel guilty if she does not? A rich person asking a rich person why he is worth it is trying to lump him with the Wall Street corrupt guys who got bonuses without results. He got results and earned them. Having her ask that question is like having Oprah ask that question.
I seriously don't believe that you understand what hypocrisy is.
Barbara Walters is a well-off, well-dressed woman who socializes with the upper crust of Manhattan and enjoys her Upper East Side lifestyle.
Rush Limbaugh is a guy who flies around in a private jet, has a $100 million contract and whose lifestyle is more like that of the Hollywood that he hates than the common man. Which he constantly bloviates about and claims to represent. Barbara Walters has NEVER DONE THAT.
So given equal time between liberal and conservative voices, people chose the liberal ones?
Plus, the news media environment today is quite conservative.I laughed when I read that "defenders of media freedom" are warning of the dangers of localism. Clear Channel's looking out for me!
Some smart talk about the Fairness Doctrine
...But it's hearsay. From the twitterer:
Even if an audio clip with an offensive Indian joke turns up (when's the ETA on the Michelle Obama clip?), we're comparing an inside-baseball reporter with the most famous and popular Conservative voice in America.
Well there's no audio video or transcript of Helen Thomas so I don't know what she "got away" with or is supposed to apologize for yet. Or, uh, Oprah. I certainly hope for the equal and just application of laws.
BVS
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purpleoscar
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I don't know about that but Rush is asking Obama to debate him right now:
Rush Challenges Obama To Debate
Anyways, why would Obama tell conservatives not to listen to Rush unless he's using divide and conquer tactics? Obama doesn't want to compete, especially when it comes to the stimulus subject.
Why doesn't he tell conservatives "Rush is wrong because "x" reasons"? That would be at least a debate in the arena of ideas even if it's not a formal debate. These tactics are the same as Saul Alinsky tactics of community organizers. They are bullies. Obama reeks of entitlement therefore we shouldn't question him. Just look at mainstream media and their defense of him. There are some in the media that don't want to criticize and lampoon Obama because they don't want to be seen as attacking their own. If Rush Limbaugh's point of view is so useless and irrelevent then the left will want Rush to talk more and more because he would be his own worst enemy.
The reason all this is going on is because Obama is continuing Bush's overspending (giving up on cutting pork included in bills) and he's giving money to Gaza hoping Hamas won't abuse it. The failed stimulus and international affairs are open season for conservatives to exploit if they are not divided. It's a chess game that conservatives need to develop their concentration on and of course the other side of the chess board is not surprisingly wanting to divide and conquer the glowing embers of the conservatives in the Republican party.
Even this moderate is wavering a little:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/opinion/06brooks.html?_r=1
martha
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Why would the President of the United States want to debate a radio talk-show host?
BVS
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It's been well documented that Rush has avoided and bowed out of real debate during his career. Why do you think he's so scared of the fairness doctrine? Of course the President isn't going to debate some am radio talk show host, and Rush knows that...
This is ridiculous. Show me just one item on the list of Saul Alinsky's tactics that Rush doesn't use... just one.
You are why people should listen to Rush. You actually get caught up and believe his hypocricy and lies.
Just one.
Bluer White
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Yeah, the President has nothing better to do.
Rush can debate Obama in 2012. He can win the primary and then he can have 3 debates, which I'm sure would be a delight to watch. Until then, he can piss off.
Irvine511
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Rush reminds me of a carnival pig, kind of the walking embodiment of self-indulgence with his enormous waistline, his extravagant lifestyle, his drug addictions, his obvious sexual compulsions (no one gets caught coming back from the DR with unprescribed Viagra without having engaged in some sort of sexual tourism), and his complete and utter disregard to claim any responsibility for the excesses. at least Rush has the money to pay for the consequences -- the abortions, the Valtrex, the hearing aid, the rehab, the expensive cardiologists, the baboon heart.
Rush can do whatever he likes, and he knows this.
it's just that the more you know about him, the more pathetic and shallow the Dittoheads look.
Rush can do whatever he likes, and he knows this.
it's just that the more you know about him, the more pathetic and shallow the Dittoheads look.
Bluer White
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I'd say that Carville, Begala, and the White House won the media battle for the week. The Limbaugh smokescreen has worked for now.....cable tv and the news magazines have taken the baton from Rahm and Barack.
It's change we can believe in.
It's change we can believe in.
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